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Plasticcouch81
post Thu, 15 Feb 2018 - 12:09
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My wife got a NIp stating she was doing 68mph exceding a variable speed limit of 50mph
by NR M/POST 5563A

She is convinced there where not variable speed limit sign up at the time, and the fact she was doing 68 suggests the road was clear.

how can i find out if the gantry signes were on?

googling the gantry number flags up alot of freedom in information requests for the same gantry number. could it be afaulty and catching people incorectly??
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post Thu, 15 Feb 2018 - 12:14
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I don’t want to sound unhelpful but it’s more likely she just didn’t see the 50 mph variable limit. On the M25 sometimes they go up for no apparent reason - I am sure there is one but it’s just not obvious - and I often find myself crawling along at 50 when others are shooting past at 70 or higher but I know that there are cameras and so I’m extra careful.

I hate the M25 for that reason but realistically your wife missed the restriction. Just take the points and learn from it.
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post Thu, 15 Feb 2018 - 12:18
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QUOTE (Plasticcouch81 @ Thu, 15 Feb 2018 - 12:09) *
My wife got a NIp stating she was doing 68mph exceding a variable speed limit of 50mph
by NR M/POST 5563A

She is convinced there where not variable speed limit sign up at the time, and the fact she was doing 68 suggests the road was clear.

how can i find out if the gantry signes were on?

googling the gantry number flags up alot of freedom in information requests for the same gantry number. could it be afaulty and catching people incorectly??



I believe that is a HADECS3 camera, which is mounted to the side of a gantry and takes a picture of the limit displayed overhead at the time it is triggered.

You can ask for a photo to aid in identifying the driver which may confirm the limit (make sure you ask for it as an aid to identifying the driver at the time of the offence rather than 'evidence').

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post Thu, 15 Feb 2018 - 12:30
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QUOTE (ohnoes @ Thu, 15 Feb 2018 - 12:18) *
QUOTE (Plasticcouch81 @ Thu, 15 Feb 2018 - 12:09) *
My wife got a NIp stating she was doing 68mph exceding a variable speed limit of 50mph
by NR M/POST 5563A

She is convinced there where not variable speed limit sign up at the time, and the fact she was doing 68 suggests the road was clear.

how can i find out if the gantry signes were on?

googling the gantry number flags up alot of freedom in information requests for the same gantry number. could it be afaulty and catching people incorectly??



I believe that is a HADECS3 camera, which is mounted to the side of a gantry and takes a picture of the limit displayed overhead at the time it is triggered.

You can ask for a photo to aid in identifying the driver which may confirm the limit (make sure you ask for it as an aid to identifying the driver at the time of the offence rather than 'evidence').



How do you ask for the photo? e-mail or is it on the form??
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post Thu, 15 Feb 2018 - 12:31
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QUOTE (Plasticcouch81 @ Thu, 15 Feb 2018 - 12:30) *
How do you ask for the photo? e-mail or is it on the form??

If you have an email address for them, send them an email. If not, send them a letter in the post.


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post Thu, 15 Feb 2018 - 13:24
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J23 to J27 have HADECS3 - as noted there's an auxiliary camera that also snaps the displayed limit for the avoidance of doubt.

They don't have to provide the photo but usually do.

That excess is eligible for a fixed penalty (3 points £100) - be careful before rejecting this. At court the potential penalty is higher 4-6 points (4 likely) along with costs and surcharge.

It is more likely the limit was displayed but I understand the need to be sure...


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post Thu, 15 Feb 2018 - 15:34
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Emailed CREEST and they are sending photos in the post. Will be interesting to see what it shows

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post Thu, 15 Feb 2018 - 15:40
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QUOTE (Plasticcouch81 @ Thu, 15 Feb 2018 - 15:34) *
Will be interesting to see what it shows

A 50mph limit displayed, probably. wink.gif


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Did the Nip not have photos on it Anyway??
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QUOTE (mickR @ Thu, 15 Feb 2018 - 18:12) *
Did the Nip not have photos on it Anyway??

Well presumably not, or the OP wouldn't be asking the question. Some NIPs do have small pictures printed on, most don't.


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QUOTE (Fredd @ Thu, 15 Feb 2018 - 18:26) *
QUOTE (mickR @ Thu, 15 Feb 2018 - 18:12) *
Did the Nip not have photos on it Anyway??

Well presumably not, or the OP wouldn't be asking the question. Some NIPs do have small pictures printed on, most don't.


The one my friend got did. From the same smart section of m25
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Plasticcouch81
post Fri, 16 Feb 2018 - 11:07
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The NIP had no photographic information

It came from The Casualty Reduction & Enforcement Support Team ( C R E E S T )

They have sent out photos after i emailed asking for help identifying the driver.

Just want to check all is present and correct before commiting to points or a SAC
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QUOTE (Plasticcouch81 @ Fri, 16 Feb 2018 - 11:07) *
Just want to check all is present and correct before commiting to points or a SAC


Remember any photos supplied at this stage are to identify the vehicle, not prove the offence.


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post Fri, 16 Feb 2018 - 14:50
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QUOTE (Plasticcouch81 @ Fri, 16 Feb 2018 - 11:07) *
The NIP had no photographic information

It came from The Casualty Reduction & Enforcement Support Team ( C R E E S T )

They have sent out photos after i emailed asking for help identifying the driver.

Just want to check all is present and correct before commiting to points or a SAC


Did it show a gantry/speed limit?


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post Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 10:20
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QUOTE (Plasticcouch81 @ Thu, 15 Feb 2018 - 15:34) *
Emailed CREEST and they are sending photos in the post. Will be interesting to see what it shows

Smart motorway, plastered in technology supported up by a back office staff of stamp lickers.
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post Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 12:59
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Recieved the photos back.

No sign of any speed restrictions? nor any proof of speeding....

Clearly the motorway was empty and you can see our blue car is in the slow lane

what to do?
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post Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 13:04
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QUOTE (Plasticcouch81 @ Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 12:59) *
what to do?


Your choice - take the CoFP or lose that option and go to court. Same points but bigger fine, costs and surcharge.


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post Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 13:29
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Clearly there has been some reason to change the limit because it was changed 14 minutes previously, whether up or down we do not know.

Did any of the FOI requests you saw lead to the then limit being stated or any useful information?

No device is absolutely free from the possibility of any fault but we are told that the cameras and signs are so interlinked that it should be impossible for the camera to enforce a limit that is not displayed. Your wife going to court and saying she saw no limit sign is unlikely to result in an acquittal so taking the CoFP is the pragmatic course. If it is any consolation it is not, legally, the admission of an offence.

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I agree i would just take the punishment and be done......

need to purchase a incar camera
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post Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 15:03
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That is a HADECS3 shot but they haven't supplied the auxiliary shot (if there is one).

See here for the full set example.


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