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GRMan
post Wed, 6 Sep 2017 - 00:53
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Hi, I've been back and forwards from Greece for a few years now. I will be fully moving there in the next few weeks for work, however around 3 months ago I was stopped by police for doing 46 in a 30 dual carriage way (overtake fail - what are the odds?)

The problem here is I call the police traffic number almost weekly now and they are still telling me that nothing is on their systems and to call back next week. Some googling is telling me that this could take up to 6 months to show!

Anyway, the even more interesting things is, I need to transfer my UK license to a Greek license for work/insurance purposes once I get there, so what happens then?

This is really boggling my mind.

Any insight would be wonderful, thanks!
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post Wed, 6 Sep 2017 - 01:10
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Once you have a Greek licence, not a UK one, no UK points can be put on it, so if UK points are acquired the DVLA will instead create a driving record for you, otherwise known as a ghost licence, and the points will be recorded there. They will have effect only in the UK, so if you got up to 12 points you could become a totter and be disqualified from driving in the UK for 6 months, but that would have no effect anywhere else in the world.

I am surprised to hear it could take six months for you to hear of any police action, I think it much more likely that if you have heard nothing for three months you never will. I wonder if you have misunderstood, the police could not start a prosecution against you after six months, but that level of speeding would merit a fixed penalty not a prosecution.

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post Wed, 6 Sep 2017 - 01:30
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QUOTE (Logician @ Wed, 6 Sep 2017 - 02:10) *
Once you have a Greek licence, not a UK one, no UK points can be put on it, so if UK points are acquired the DVLA will instead create a driving record for you, otherwise known as a ghost licence, and the points will be recorded there. They will have effect only in the UK, so if you got up to 12 points you could become a totter and be disqualified from driving in the UK for 6 months, but that would have no effect anywhere else in the world.

I am surprised to hear it could take six months for you to hear of any police action, I think it much more likely that if you have heard nothing for three months you never will. I wonder if you have misunderstood, the police could not start a prosecution against you after six months, but that level of speeding would merit a fixed penalty not a prosecution.


Interesting you say that, I have heard that from other greek drivers but thats another story. The thing that bothers me about the ghost license thingamajig is that I will probably return after a year or so, once I switch back to a UK license, would the ghost points be added?

From what I read online, they have upto 6 months to actually send you a speeding ticket or summons if they've verbally told you on the road side they intend to do so. (please correct me here as that sounds crazy)

also the new speeding laws are confusing me a lot... actually more like the way they are presented on websites I search for.

would I receive 3 points / £100 for this, or the new 4 points and 100% income? As it skips from explaining that straight to mentioning going to court for doing over 42, this is what confuses me.

Thanks for the speedy response smile.gif

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post Wed, 6 Sep 2017 - 01:51
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Yes, if you get points they will be added to any future UK licence.

There is no such thing as a 'speeding ticket' as such, there are lots of different bits of paper that are called that but each is different with different requirements, they do have up to six months to summons you, but as they appear to have no record of your case after 3 months what would they base it on, and a fixed penalty was 99.999% going to be issued for that speed anyway, I'd suggest you've got lucky and it's been lost.

There are no new speeding laws, there are new sentancing guidelines for the fastest speeders, you don't fall into that band and they have no effect.

If it went to court it would be four points (the same as it would have been last year or five years ago, no change) but if action is taken it would almost certainly be the 3/£100 fixed penalty.

You're reading too much poorly informed/presented claptrap I'm afraid.


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post Wed, 6 Sep 2017 - 02:00
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Thanks for that, you've taken a load of my mind. Most websites are then intentionally misrepresenting to scare people. For example on one website it writes that if you are caught doing over 42 in a 30 then you fall into band B, etc etc, failing to mention that it is only if you are summoned, which is rare!

I will phone one last time tomorrow and if there is still nothing, then I can relax as its starting to really drive me up the wall the last few weeks as I'm getting ready to move, its one less thing off my chest.

I will update you guys tomorrow evening, cheers!

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post Wed, 6 Sep 2017 - 06:09
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QUOTE (GRMan @ Wed, 6 Sep 2017 - 01:53) *
Anyway, the even more interesting things is, I need to transfer my UK license to a Greek license for work/insurance purposes once I get there, so what happens then?


But we're still in the EU! Isn't it illegal for the Greeks to discriminate against a non-Greek EU licence holder?
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post Wed, 6 Sep 2017 - 09:45
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QUOTE (666 @ Wed, 6 Sep 2017 - 07:09) *
QUOTE (GRMan @ Wed, 6 Sep 2017 - 01:53) *
Anyway, the even more interesting things is, I need to transfer my UK license to a Greek license for work/insurance purposes once I get there, so what happens then?


But we're still in the EU! Isn't it illegal for the Greeks to discriminate against a non-Greek EU licence holder?

That is correct, for the Greek Gov't, the company he will work for and the insurer (unless they could somehow show a UK licence holder to be a greater risk than a Greek licence holder, having driven in Greece I find that hard to believe, and would be irrelevant for someone who could just swap anyway). The only caveat I would put on that is if the OP still has an old paper only licence which would be rather inconvenient to carry all the time, and as its not photo ID having to carry something to satisfy that as well!


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post Wed, 6 Sep 2017 - 18:09
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Indeed, now that the OP has stated that he will probably return after a year or two, there seems no reason at all to swap his UK licence for a Greek one, particularly as I am not sure how easy or possible it would be to change back his Greek licence for a UK one.


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post Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 07:49
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Simplicity itself, on your return you apply to DVLA for a new UK licence and surrender the Greek one in exchange, the reverse of what you will have to do to get the Greek one.

Note it's not lawful to concurrently hold two different EU licences although some people moving abroad chance it by 'losing' their UK licence in order to obtain a duplicate then surrendering the 'lost' one in exchange for a local one in whichever EU country it happens to be they are settling in. It's a stupid and potentially dangerous game though as the issuing of any EU licence instantly voids any and all previous licences making the UK duplicate both worthless and of course fraudulent.

Just in case anything did come of the speeding matter in your absence it would be advisable to ensure that DVLA have a valid UK address for you and that there is someone to open your mail, at the very worst you could end up as substantively disqualified!

Regarding discrimination; technically if you take up residence in another EU country you can drive on a UK licence until it expires or until you commit a traffic offence which carries a points penalty in which case the licensing authority can insist that you exchange it for a local licence to have those points added or subtracted according to their system.

That said I know for a fact that the Spanish make you exchange your licence pretty much immediately you become resident and it wouldn't surprise me if there were other EU countries who did the same.
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post Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 08:27
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QUOTE (4x4x4 @ Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 08:49) *
Simplicity itself, on your return you apply to DVLA for a new UK licence and surrender the Greek one in exchange, the reverse of what you will have to do to get the Greek one.

Maybe not in 2 years time?


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post Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 20:55
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Just got off the phone with them again today... So far, so good. It seems they've moved onto the August tickets to process, which means they've either lost the ticket/made a mistake with my info, or just let me off the hook.

Forgot to mention that my license expires soon, and the only reason I did not renew it for the last three months was because I was waiting for the police to send me paperwork as I need to send them the license to have the points added.

Oh, and a follow up the the comments regarding discrimination... I know first hand that this DEFINITELY happens in the UK, forget about Greece. - A Greek driver I worked with a few months back came here for a driving job, and was FLAT OUT refused by 4 agencies and a few independent companies due to the fact that he had a Greek license and not a UK one. They all said the same thing "For insurance purposes, you need a UK license, otherwise, no job." If you check through the classified ad's on gumtree/indeed for 'drivers wanted' many also state that they will NOT accept a euro transfered UK license either (as it would state on the UK license where it was issued.) I can dig up a few and post them if you guys don't believe me,
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post Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 06:52
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QUOTE (GRMan @ Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 21:55) *
Oh, and a follow up the the comments regarding discrimination... I know first hand that this DEFINITELY happens in the UK, forget about Greece. - A Greek driver I worked with a few months back came here for a driving job, and was FLAT OUT refused by 4 agencies and a few independent companies due to the fact that he had a Greek license and not a UK one. They all said the same thing "For insurance purposes, you need a UK license, otherwise, no job." If you check through the classified ad's on gumtree/indeed for 'drivers wanted' many also state that they will NOT accept a euro transfered UK license either (as it would state on the UK license where it was issued.) I can dig up a few and post them if you guys don't believe me,


I don't doubt that it happens, but that doesn't make it legal!

As for a UK (GB) licence issued in exchange for a Greek one, that would indeed show where it was issued, i.e. DVLA not Greece.
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post Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 11:24
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Guess what just came through the mail today? .... icon_cry.gif


Spoke too soon sadly.
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