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post Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 18:34
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And another one

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/0...course-justice/

A Labour whip and ally of Jeremy Corbyn has been charged with perverting the course of justice after allegations that she tried to give away speeding points a month after her election.

Fiona Onasanya, the Labour MP for Peterborough, appeared at Westminster magistrates court two weeks ago alongside her brother, Festus.

The former solicitor kept news of her arrest and charge secret while serving as a Labour whip. She is due back in court next month.

Solicitors and MP's seem to have issues with speeding tickets, this one is both !!!
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QUOTE (Fredd @ Mon, 11 Feb 2019 - 17:38) *
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In the past, where seeking change through democratic means was impossible, there may well have been circumstances where acts that would today be classed as terrorism would be justified

Including some parts of the women's suffrage movement, of course - and I don't imagine there'd be many people nowadays who'd want to characterise their (fairly ineffectual) bombing campaign as terrorism.


really? They used arson and bombing as a means to effect change. Rather similar to the IRA. Both in the end got pretty much what they wanted.


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post Mon, 11 Feb 2019 - 18:36
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QUOTE (oldstoat @ Mon, 11 Feb 2019 - 18:11) *
.........really? They used arson and bombing as a means to effect change. Rather similar to the IRA. Both in the end got pretty much what they wanted.


I think you need to check your history.
The IRA or more properly the Irish Problem has been going on for centuries, has not been resolved and won't be, in the eyes of the IRA/Republicans, until NI is united with Eire and the UK has no control whatsoever.
All the Good Friday Agreement did was to broker a conditional peace.
It could be said that it has or may resolve the problem for the majority on both sides but all that violence did was to eventually get people sick enough of it to be prepared to talk.

And I rather doubt that any act of violence had any direct impact on women's suffrage.
Bedroom power probably had a lot more influence on the success.
Nagging wives will also influence men in power.
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post Mon, 11 Feb 2019 - 18:48
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At the risk of diverting discussion back to the original subject smile.gif, her appeal will be heard (and hopefully rapidly disposed of) on 5 March.

It's still jarring being reminded that the sentence was only 3 months.


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QUOTE (Fredd @ Mon, 11 Feb 2019 - 18:48) *
At the risk of diverting discussion back to the original subject smile.gif, her appeal will be heard (and hopefully rapidly disposed of) on 5 March.

It's still jarring being reminded that the sentence was only 3 months.

Can the appeal against sentence, and the AG's referral under the ULS scheme be heard, and disposed of, at the same time?

Would be a very efficient use of course time for them to decide, in one fell swoop, that she is in fact guilty and she can stay in prison for longer for her troubles.


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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 00:31) *
QUOTE (Fredd @ Mon, 11 Feb 2019 - 18:48) *
At the risk of diverting discussion back to the original subject smile.gif, her appeal will be heard (and hopefully rapidly disposed of) on 5 March.

It's still jarring being reminded that the sentence was only 3 months.

Can the appeal against sentence, and the AG's referral under the ULS scheme be heard, and disposed of, at the same time?

Would be a very efficient use of course time for them to decide, in one fell swoop, that she is in fact guilty and she can stay in prison for longer for her troubles.


Not a scoobie but IMO efficient use of time and our court system are oxymorons.
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post Tue, 5 Mar 2019 - 13:00
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Fiona Onasanya loses her High Court challenge after being jailed for lying to police over speeding offence

Rejecting Onasanya's appeal bid, Sir Brian Leveson said: 'In conclusion, this applicant was tried fairly by a jury, who rejected her evidence on oath.

'There was no error of law in the approach of the judge, whose directions... were clear and accurate, nor was there any other irregularity with the trial.

'It is a tragedy that she has damaged, probably irreparably, a promising political career, but there is absolutely no basis for challenging her conviction.'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-67...ead-appeal.html

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post Tue, 5 Mar 2019 - 14:47
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Appeal lost:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambr...eshire-47455618

Hopefully will now give up her seat (yeah, right).
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post Tue, 5 Mar 2019 - 16:28
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And still she's in denial:

QUOTE (Peterborough Telegraph)
Representing herself at the Court of Appeal on Tuesday, Onasanya told the court: “The charge against me was perverting the course of justice.

“I said from the outset, and I still maintain my innocence, that I did not do that.”


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QUOTE (Fredd @ Tue, 5 Mar 2019 - 16:28) *
And still she's in denial:

QUOTE (Peterborough Telegraph)
Representing herself at the Court of Appeal on Tuesday, Onasanya told the court: “The charge against me was perverting the course of justice.

“I said from the outset, and I still maintain my innocence, that I did not do that.”




I'm a bit bemused on what her grounds were for the Challenge.
Perhaps m'learned friends here can elaborate.

I assume there has to be a technical argument to (try to) strike out verdict as some sort of mis-trial?

Simply saying "...I still maintain my innocence, that I did not do that"
is just refuting facts which have already been decided by the jury in the previous trial.

Anyone person found guilty of any offence could say that.
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post Tue, 5 Mar 2019 - 20:35
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There is a single ground of appeal under the Criminal Appeal Act 1968

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(1) Subject to the provisions of this Act, the Court of Appeal—

(a) shall allow an appeal against conviction if they think that the conviction is unsafe; and

(b) shall dismiss such an appeal in any other case.


God knows what arguments were put forward to suggest the conviction was unsafe... misdirection to the jury? I’m sure it’ll be reported soon.


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Her argument seems to have been that she couldn't get a fair trial because of all the media coverage.


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One thing I wonder is, assuming the required 7,000 or so signatures are gathered, will she bother contending the by-election?


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QUOTE (Fredd @ Tue, 5 Mar 2019 - 20:36) *
Her argument seems to have been that she couldn't get a fair trial because of all the media coverage.

I’d have expected that to have been raised pre-trial and appealed pre-trial if the judge ruled against it. However, I haven’t set foot in a Crown Court for 11 years!


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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/m...inst-conviction

From the article :

"Any custodial or suspended sentence of less than a year that is not appealed against would automatically trigger a recall petition under the Recall of MPs Act 2015."

It seems clear why she decided to appeal against the sentence, even if the judges considered her unprepared.

She avoids the automatic triggering of a recall petition.

The lady is calculating, not stupid.
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However now that she can no longer appeal against it, a recall petition has indeed been initiated, as directed by the Speaker of the House of Commons today.

And she clearly is stupid, given how much she risked for how little gain.


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QUOTE (Fredd @ Tue, 5 Mar 2019 - 23:34) *
And she clearly is stupid, given how much she risked for how little gain.

Even IF she didn't PCOJ she was stupid in not reading the NIP and bothering (as a solicitor.....) to understand the legal requirements placed upon her, if she did PCOJ then yes, stupid doesn't do her justice.


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QUOTE (freddy1 @ Tue, 5 Mar 2019 - 22:01) *
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/m...inst-conviction

From the article :

"Any custodial or suspended sentence of less than a year that is not appealed against would automatically trigger a recall petition under the Recall of MPs Act 2015."

It seems clear why she decided to appeal against the sentence, even if the judges considered her unprepared.

She avoids the automatic triggering of a recall petition.

The lady is calculating, not stupid.

Ummm, no. It seems that the Guardian article has been changed, because those words are no longer in the linked article. It would have been very odd if the Recall of MPs Act 2015 had not mentioned whether the "appeal" needed to be successful or not. Indeed, it does mention this. The Guardian's (original) reporting was lazy: under the Act, the original "conviction, sentence or order" must not have been overturned on appeal, in order for a recall to proceed.

Simply launching an appeal, without having any basis for doing so and without having engaged counsel or prepared any arguments or legal case in support, was self-evidently stupid. This person was elected as an MP... This case was no "tragedy". Thank god she will not be representing clients as a solicitor in future.

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QUOTE (Churchmouse @ Wed, 6 Mar 2019 - 13:18) *
Simply launching an appeal, without having any basis for doing so and without having engaged counsel or prepared any arguments or legal case in support, was self-evidently stupid.

Was it? Delaying the recall petition 6 weeks - that's close to £9k of MP's salary. Would engaging counsel have brought more benefit than that?
(I think it's probably the most sensible thing she has done in terms of risk vs reward!).
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Indeed, plus her recall petition may be lost in the Brexit befuddle next week, although as an ardent remainer representing a leave constituency its also possible the opposite may apply. We'll know soon enough.
Recall petition opens on the 19th and runs for 6 weeks or until 7000 (10%) sign whichever is shorter.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-47475020

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Still pleading her innocence!

https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/local...ocence-15991696

In text
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/isgr...r-ousted/18/03/

Doesn't seem to want to put her side despite her saying she would!

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