YouTube whilst driving, Having a video play on mobile phone on a mount whilst driving |
YouTube whilst driving, Having a video play on mobile phone on a mount whilst driving |
Wed, 11 Oct 2017 - 14:57
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Member Group: Members Posts: 32 Joined: 10 Oct 2017 Member No.: 94,443 |
If you are driving along the Motorway and your phone is on a magnetic mount playing a Youtube video (this could be a podcast, song etc.) and
the driver is not touching the device, is this illegal? |
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Wed, 11 Oct 2017 - 16:13
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Member Group: Members Posts: 477 Joined: 1 Nov 2013 From: NG1 Member No.: 66,409 |
I've seen the usual tv programs with names like "police stop" etc where one of them stopped a goods vehicle as a laptop was open on the dash playing a video.
I know a phone is smaller but I would imagine a police officer wouldn't be impressed if they thought you were watching videos whilst driving, even if you weren't. I think you'd have a hard job persuading them it was just playing the music, in which case you probably don't need the screen on (or put it super dim so it looks off) |
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Wed, 11 Oct 2017 - 16:34
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I've seen the usual tv programs with names like "police stop" etc where one of them stopped a goods vehicle as a laptop was open on the dash playing a video. I know a phone is smaller but I would imagine a police officer wouldn't be impressed if they thought you were watching videos whilst driving, even if you weren't. I think you'd have a hard job persuading them it was just playing the music, in which case you probably don't need the screen on (or put it super dim so it looks off) I agree. What if there is a passenger, do you think it would still become an issue as the driver could always say that it's for the entertainment of the passenger. |
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Wed, 11 Oct 2017 - 16:45
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Member Group: Members Posts: 25,726 Joined: 28 Jun 2010 From: Area 51 Member No.: 38,559 |
AS far as I know, it is still illegal to have a video device within eyeline/sight of the driver.
Last time I looked it didn't seem to have caught up with mobile phones specifically but I believe the principle could be applied, even if not playing a video. The moment a video is played and the driver can see it, they are opening themselves up to various charges... without due care and attention (if that still exists), careless or dangerous driving. And being bl00dy stupid to boot. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/10...lation/109/made applies I believe This post has been edited by DancingDad: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 - 16:46 |
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Wed, 11 Oct 2017 - 16:46
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Member Group: Members Posts: 477 Joined: 1 Nov 2013 From: NG1 Member No.: 66,409 |
They could be holding it
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Wed, 11 Oct 2017 - 16:48
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Webmaster Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,205 Joined: 30 Mar 2003 From: Wokingham, UK Member No.: 2 |
IMO you're going to be completely stuffed if you get caught doing this. The Construction and Use Regulations (1986) s.109 seem to most specifically prohibit it:
QUOTE 109.—(1) No person shall drive, or cause or permit to be driven, a motor vehicle on a road, if the driver is in such a position as to be able to see, whether directly or by reflection, a television receiving apparatus or other cinematographic apparatus used to display anything other than information— (a) about the state of the vehicle or its equipment; (b) about the location of the vehicle and the road on which it is located; © to assist the driver to see the road adjacent to the vehicle; or (d) to assist the driver to reach his destination. (2) In this regulation “television receiving apparatus” means any cathode ray tube carried on a vehicle and on which there can be displayed an image derived from a television broadcast, a recording or a camera or computer. It's since been updated to do away with archaic references to CRTs, but I can't find that version online. However, driving while not in proper control would also seem to be a distinct possibility as an alternative. -------------------- Regards,
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Wed, 11 Oct 2017 - 17:07
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Member Group: Members Posts: 25,726 Joined: 28 Jun 2010 From: Area 51 Member No.: 38,559 |
Even without the CRT reference, "or other cinematographic apparatus... " would seem to cover any device used to watch a video.
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Wed, 11 Oct 2017 - 17:39
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Monumentally stupid should cover it.
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Wed, 11 Oct 2017 - 18:34
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,510 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
Monumentally stupid should cover it. Which piece of legislation covers that? There's a large queue of offenders... This post has been edited by Jlc: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 - 18:35 -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Wed, 11 Oct 2017 - 18:35
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Wed, 11 Oct 2017 - 21:17
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A couple of weeks ago whilst driving a bus through London, there was a woman driving a car next to me with a kiddy's cartoon showing on the built-in satnav screen, with child in front seat not even belted in! the driver could quite clearly see the screen. where's Darwin when you want him?
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Wed, 11 Oct 2017 - 21:29
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Generally, you cannot win the Darwin award if you have already reproduced - however, if you succeed in taking your offspring with you, you would have effectively completely removed yourself from the gene pool.
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Wed, 11 Oct 2017 - 21:34
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Monumentally stupid should cover it. Which piece of legislation covers that? There's a large queue of offenders... The Taking the P1ss Act. Breach of this totally made up piece of legislation resulted in me going out of my way to find a totally not made up law that had been broken, resulting in punishment of the p1ss taking activity by proxy. -------------------- Moderator
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Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 01:26
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Monumentally stupid should cover it. Which piece of legislation covers that? There's a large queue of offenders... The Taking the P1ss Act. Breach of this totally made up piece of legislation resulted in me going out of my way to find a totally not made up law that had been broken, resulting in punishment of the p1ss taking activity by proxy. And by doing that you joined the club of oxymorons, "well done". mein fuhrer. |
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Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 10:46
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A couple of weeks ago whilst driving a bus through London, there was a woman driving a car next to me with a kiddy's cartoon showing on the built-in satnav screen, with child in front seat not even belted in! the driver could quite clearly see the screen. where's Darwin when you want him? Built in screens can do that, they usually switch off the 'video' as soon as the car moves, or even if the park brake is disengaged (/Park on an auto). You could get into an argument about whether they are driving when stopped of course. This post has been edited by The Rookie: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 10:51 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 11:06
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Monumentally stupid should cover it. Which piece of legislation covers that? There's a large queue of offenders... The Taking the P1ss Act. Breach of this totally made up piece of legislation resulted in me going out of my way to find a totally not made up law that had been broken, resulting in punishment of the p1ss taking activity by proxy. And by doing that you joined the club of oxymorons, "well done". mein fuhrer. Comparing me to Hitler. Nice. Good job I’m not Jewish, huh? Off you pop, don’t come back. -------------------- Moderator
Any comments made do not constitute legal advice and should not be relied upon. No lawyer/client relationship should be assumed nor should any duty of care be owed. |
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Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 11:31
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Perhaps I could convince my local MP to attempt a private member's bill to introduce a new offence "Driving Like a {insert profanity for female genetalia}"
Such a law would clear up a lot of bad driving I feel. This post has been edited by superSmiffy: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 11:32 |
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Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 11:49
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A couple of weeks ago whilst driving a bus through London, there was a woman driving a car next to me with a kiddy's cartoon showing on the built-in satnav screen, with child in front seat not even belted in! the driver could quite clearly see the screen. where's Darwin when you want him? Built in screens can do that, they usually switch off the 'video' as soon as the car moves, or even if the park brake is disengaged (/Park on an auto). You could get into an argument about whether they are driving when stopped of course. Apparently stopped at a traffic light is still considered driving |
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Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 12:10
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Member Group: Members Posts: 25,726 Joined: 28 Jun 2010 From: Area 51 Member No.: 38,559 |
,,,,,,,,Apparently stopped at a traffic light is still considered driving There is no apparently about it. Stopping, accelerating, steering and waiting are all part of the general term driving. Not that the "I'll just check my phone while sitting at a red light" brigade seems to agree. |
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Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 12:10
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
'Apparently'? It may be and it would be for a court to decide based on the facts, there is no 'apparently'.
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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