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Requirement to identify the driver - Final Reminder, Received this after returning unsigned NIP. What's next?
post Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 11:27
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Requirement to identify the driver - Final Reminder

As indicated in my previous correspondence you were required to provide the information, as per the form provided, within the statutory time limit of 28 days. I have to inform you that this period has now elapsed and to date no response has been received within this office. I have provided a duplicate form overleaf for your use should you require it and would ask that you now give this matter your IMMEDIATE attention. You are also required to sign your completed form and return it to the address stated above.

If you do not respond, Police Officers will call to interview you after which you may be reported for consideration of prosecution under Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988.

Signed by Deputy Chief Constable (Desginate) I. L. QPM
For the office of Chief Constable
Police Service of Scotland

Speed 100 on A90(70). Living outside Scotland, returned the NIP unsigned within 28 days, had response from Administator that it's unsigned. A week later got this letter. What's the next step? Please help, thank you!

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post Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 11:27
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post Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 11:59
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Presumably you've read the unsigned NIP threads? You have a written reply confirming your response has been received, and that it was unsigned. How do you want to proceed - spend 6 months dodging the possible knock on the door or play ball and send them back the signed response.
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post Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 12:03
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My understanding is that there is no obligation to reply to a second S172 request so you could ignore the form

If you live outside Scotland, the local police won't make a lot of effort to interview you if you don't open the door the first time

Can't recall any cases where a Scotland unsigned S172 has got as far as a hearing
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post Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 12:05
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The next step can be either

(a) you respond as requested, and then expect a summons, or

(b) you ignore it, and police may call as threatened.

If you search the many threads on this forum for "unsigned" you will find the pros and cons of option (b) discussed.
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post Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 13:46
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - April 2018
Date of the NIP: - 2 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 3 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A90 DUNDEE TO PERTH ROAD at St.Madoes, Perth & Kinross (25)
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - Second
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - Bought the car from Aberdeen, drove down south all the way. Used cruise contol, probably overtook or something, got flashed 100 on A90(70). Haven't seen signs.

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - Scotland

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    Depending on your circumstances, you may wish to consider completing the form, but returning it unsigned. By doing so there is a risk that you will be convicted under s172, which would attract 6 penalty points and a fine; in most cases this is likely to exceed the penalty for the speeding offence itself.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 13:46:13 +0000
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post Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 15:08
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That's a Mobile camera site

Hmm that's some speed up to overtake?

There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!

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