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post Sat, 9 Jun 2018 - 08:51
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - May 2018
Date of the NIP: - 10 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 11 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A104 Dalston Lane nr Laurel St W/B E8 (1569), UNITED KINGDOM
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - I'm not a habitual speeder; I don't recall being "camera-flashed" at the time, nor knowingly speeding. Apparently I was doing 25mph in a 20mph zone: if it really was a 20mph zone, I didn't consciously break that limit - so it seems possible to me that the signage wasn't adequate, or the radar wasn't properly calibrated (which I accept is probably unlikely). Receiving the NIP was the first time I was aware of the offence.

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

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This post has been edited by disgruntledvictim: Sat, 9 Jun 2018 - 09:15
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post Sat, 9 Jun 2018 - 09:18
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Did you have any questions? There is a camera at the end by the junction with the 108, it’s high mounted so a flash may not always be visible.

What is the alleged speed in what limit?


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post Sat, 9 Jun 2018 - 09:21
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Sat, 9 Jun 2018 - 10:18) *
Did you have any questions? There is a camera at the end by the junction with the 108, it’s high mounted so a flash may not always be visible.

What is the alleged speed in what limit?

25 in 20 so the OP says
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post Sat, 9 Jun 2018 - 10:13
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It is more likely you missed the signage (I haven’t got access to street view right now) but some limits aren’t particularly well signed but are legal.

The measurement is almost certain to be correct.

Take the course to avoid the points.

EDIT: no radar involved, speed measured by buried sensors. Repeater sign just before the camera and roundels on the road... (take the course)

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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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post Sat, 9 Jun 2018 - 10:14
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Edited after I started typing...
An awareness course should be on offer for that.

The chances of the device being wrong versus you being wrong are very slim, whether you consciously or unconsciously exceeded the limit.


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stamfordman
post Sat, 9 Jun 2018 - 11:35
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The whole of Hackney is a 20 mph zone bar some parts of red routes. Ditto Islington.
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Pete D
post Sat, 9 Jun 2018 - 14:08
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There is appropriate signage and in addition 20 MPH roundels on the road surface. Pete D
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