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sexyshark
post Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 05:38
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I got pulled up by the police on Saturday afternoon for driving down a no access road, now awaiting my punishment through the post. Any idea on what I will receive and is there a course available to avoid points
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post Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 06:30
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Depends upon what the charge is and how dangerous the move was.
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post Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 06:41
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Depends upon what the charge is and how dangerous the move was.



the exact offence is "contravene prohibition driving" not speeding and wasn't dangerous
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post Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 08:48
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A number of offences could be charged, you'll just have to wait and see.


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post Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 11:16
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If you went past a No Entry sign that is an endorsable offence, but it sounds as though it was not that but the sort of road that has a notice like "No access except to authorised vehicles" in which case it is likely to be a fine only.


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post Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 11:22
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QUOTE (Logician @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 12:16) *
If you went past a No Entry sign that is an endorsable offence, but it sounds as though it was not that but the sort of road that has a notice like "No access except to authorised vehicles" in which case it is likely to be a fine only.



yes it was a no vehicles unless for access only sign so no points then which is a relief many thanks
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post Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 13:20
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I often drive past a similar sign (Google Street Image here) as a cut through. The sign says "except for access" but does not say to what. I use the road to access the main road at the other end of it. Unless the sign clearly states what the road is to be used to access I cannot see how it is enforcable.

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post Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 13:48
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"I use the road to access the main road at the other end of it. "
I can't see that holding water unless there is no other way to reach the main road from your starting point.
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post Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 14:36
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QUOTE (Colin_S @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 14:20) *
I often drive past a similar sign (Google Street Image here) as a cut through. The sign says "except for access" but does not say to what. I use the road to access the main road at the other end of it. Unless the sign clearly states what the road is to be used to access I cannot see how it is enforcable.



tried that didn't work biggrin.gif
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post Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 14:52
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QUOTE (sexyshark @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 15:36) *
QUOTE (Colin_S @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 14:20) *
I often drive past a similar sign (Google Street Image here) as a cut through. The sign says "except for access" but does not say to what. I use the road to access the main road at the other end of it. Unless the sign clearly states what the road is to be used to access I cannot see how it is enforcable.



tried that didn't work biggrin.gif


Why would it not be enforceable if it is an approved sign?


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post Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 15:54
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QUOTE (Colin_S @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 14:20) *
I often drive past a similar sign (Google Street Image here) as a cut through. The sign says "except for access" but does not say to what. I use the road to access the main road at the other end of it. Unless the sign clearly states what the road is to be used to access I cannot see how it is enforcable.

I believe "for access" means for access to, or loading / unload / alighting to or from, premises on that road. Otherwise the sign would be meaningless.


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post Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 18:47
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QUOTE (sexyshark @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 12:22) *
QUOTE (Logician @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 12:16) *
If you went past a No Entry sign that is an endorsable offence, but it sounds as though it was not that but the sort of road that has a notice like "No access except to authorised vehicles" in which case it is likely to be a fine only.



yes it was a no vehicles unless for access only sign so no points then which is a relief many thanks


That happened to me about 10 years ago. No points and £30 charge, which has probably increased since then.
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post Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 13:56
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QUOTE (sexyshark @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 12:22) *
QUOTE (Logician @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 12:16) *
If you went past a No Entry sign that is an endorsable offence, but it sounds as though it was not that but the sort of road that has a notice like "No access except to authorised vehicles" in which case it is likely to be a fine only.



yes it was a no vehicles unless for access only sign so no points then which is a relief many thanks


Failing to conform to a traffic sign £100 and 3 points (TS50)
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post Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 17:28
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QUOTE (baroudeur @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 14:56) *
QUOTE (sexyshark @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 12:22) *
QUOTE (Logician @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 12:16) *
If you went past a No Entry sign that is an endorsable offence, but it sounds as though it was not that but the sort of road that has a notice like "No access except to authorised vehicles" in which case it is likely to be a fine only.
yes it was a no vehicles unless for access only sign so no points then which is a relief many thanks
Failing to conform to a traffic sign £100 and 3 points (TS50)


No, the offence is endorsable in respect of some signs, but not others, see RTOA 1988 Sch 2 Part 1. To find out which you have to go to Regulations made under RTA 1988 s.36



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post Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 18:09
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QUOTE (Logician @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 18:28) *
To find out which you have to go to Regulations made under RTA 1988 s.36

They’re set out in the TSRGD. IIRC, they forgot to apply s 36 to the no entry sign.


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post Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 18:57
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QUOTE (baroudeur @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 14:56) *
QUOTE (sexyshark @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 12:22) *
QUOTE (Logician @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 12:16) *
If you went past a No Entry sign that is an endorsable offence, but it sounds as though it was not that but the sort of road that has a notice like "No access except to authorised vehicles" in which case it is likely to be a fine only.



yes it was a no vehicles unless for access only sign so no points then which is a relief many thanks


Failing to conform to a traffic sign £100 and 3 points (TS50)


I don't think that applies to no left turn or right turn or for access only, or at least it didn't (nearer to) 15 years ago.
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post Wed, 6 Jun 2018 - 00:36
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 19:09) *
QUOTE (Logician @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 18:28) *
To find out which you have to go to Regulations made under RTA 1988 s.36
They’re set out in the TSRGD. IIRC, they forgot to apply s 36 to the no entry sign.


Indeed, but that was corrected along with other errors LINK para 7.2

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post Wed, 6 Jun 2018 - 11:47
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QUOTE (Logician @ Wed, 6 Jun 2018 - 01:36) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 19:09) *
QUOTE (Logician @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 18:28) *
To find out which you have to go to Regulations made under RTA 1988 s.36
They’re set out in the TSRGD. IIRC, they forgot to apply s 36 to the no entry sign.


Indeed, but that was corrected along with other errors LINK para 7.2


So, is failing to conform to a 'No Entry' or 'No Vehicles' sign endorsable....or not? According to various websites it is.

It would be interesting to know exactly how the OP ended up getting caught presumably he was followed along the whole length of road.
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post Wed, 6 Jun 2018 - 12:20
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QUOTE (baroudeur @ Wed, 6 Jun 2018 - 12:47) *
QUOTE (Logician @ Wed, 6 Jun 2018 - 01:36) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 19:09) *
QUOTE (Logician @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 18:28) *
To find out which you have to go to Regulations made under RTA 1988 s.36
They’re set out in the TSRGD. IIRC, they forgot to apply s 36 to the no entry sign.


Indeed, but that was corrected along with other errors LINK para 7.2


So, is failing to conform to a 'No Entry' or 'No Vehicles' sign endorsable....or not? According to various websites it is.

It would be interesting to know exactly how the OP ended up getting caught presumably he was followed along the whole length of road.


I have been followed by a policecar in the past from start to finish and not been pulled but on this occasion there was a police car set up in the 1st road and the police van set up at the other end and that is where they stopped me
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post Wed, 6 Jun 2018 - 13:14
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The no vehicles sign is not prescribed for the purposes of s 36.


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