Wing Parking Ticket on Islington Estate |
Wing Parking Ticket on Islington Estate |
Sat, 27 Jan 2018 - 15:40
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 26 Jan 2018 Member No.: 96,165 |
Hi all,
What is the best advice to deal with a PCN from Wing parking? Any advice would be welcome. There is signage on the estate but it's pretty cr@p. I will upload images in the morning but wasn't sure whether this was a legal notice or not. Thanks all. This post has been edited by GoonerEm: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 - 23:34 |
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Sat, 27 Jan 2018 - 15:42
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Post the PCN on here (front and back). Whether you were the driver or not is irrelevant, liability lies with the owner.
-------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Sat, 27 Jan 2018 - 15:44
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,905 Joined: 11 Jul 2010 Member No.: 38,904 |
Perhaps this should be moved to the Private Parking tickets forum, or re-posted there.
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Sat, 27 Jan 2018 - 15:47
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Maybe, there are estates where enforcement is done by the council, most are private. Unless the OP clarifies, who knows?
-------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Sat, 27 Jan 2018 - 16:37
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
Both Wing and Islington can be involved in the appeals process but because it is a private land case this belongs in the private section so I have asked for a move.
https://www.islington.gov.uk/parking/parkin...slington-estate |
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Sat, 27 Jan 2018 - 17:53
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17,088 Joined: 8 Mar 2013 Member No.: 60,457 |
And edit the first post so that the driver cannot be identified. Do not, despite the council asking for it, tell them who was driving.
Appeal, as the keeper, so that it arrives before the end of the 28 days in the hope that they don't apply to the DVLA for details. Some photos of the signs might be helpful This post has been edited by ostell: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 - 17:57 |
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Sat, 27 Jan 2018 - 21:20
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 26 Jan 2018 Member No.: 96,165 |
Thanks all. Will post the PCN and the signage as advised.
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Sat, 27 Jan 2018 - 22:08
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17,088 Joined: 8 Mar 2013 Member No.: 60,457 |
Have another go at post #1. The idea is not to identify the driver. Use a phrase like "The driver did........" etc.
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Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 15:17
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 26 Jan 2018 Member No.: 96,165 |
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Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 16:03
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17,088 Joined: 8 Mar 2013 Member No.: 60,457 |
"Failing to clearly display". WHat's the background to this? No permit or in a non windscreen position?
Normal suggestion is to appeal so that it arrives just before the end of the 28 days to appeal in the hope that Wing wither forget to issue a Notice to Keeper or fail to contact the DVLA, both failures that remove keeper liability. The signs are prohibitive. They are saying that you can only park with a clearly displayed permit. They do not offer a parking contract to non permit holders anre therefore there can be no charge for breach of contract. |
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Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 17:30
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 26 Jan 2018 Member No.: 96,165 |
Thanks for your time Ostell. The driver had failed to display a permit.
So best bet to appeal by post to land on the doormat day 28 quoting the signs are prohibitive? |
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Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 17:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17,088 Joined: 8 Mar 2013 Member No.: 60,457 |
There are links to appeals that are on the MSE forums that include a lot of details to make them wish they hadn't stuck that ticket on the windscreen
Post you appeal here first for critique. |
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Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 19:11
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 26 Jan 2018 Member No.: 96,165 |
You legend. Will. Do
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Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 22:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 18,751 Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Member No.: 32,130 |
AH, easy one, Islington pseudo ticket from Wing.
Not relevant land, so no keeper liability. Copy the example appeal in the Highview threads today. Wing use a 3 stage process unique to them, easy to find out by searching the forum for 'Wing'. Don't miss second stage repeat appeal to Islington. |
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Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 22:41
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17,088 Joined: 8 Mar 2013 Member No.: 60,457 |
Thanks SRM, hadn't thought of that one.
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Wed, 7 Feb 2018 - 15:16
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 26 Jan 2018 Member No.: 96,165 |
Thanks for all the advice. Couldn't find the Highview thread mentioned.
You mention "Not relevant land, so no keeper liability" but was planning on going down the MSE route of template appeal on day 27?? Thanks again |
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Wed, 7 Feb 2018 - 16:15
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17,088 Joined: 8 Mar 2013 Member No.: 60,457 |
Continue with that appeal. Just lines up some more ducks.
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Wed, 7 Feb 2018 - 16:24
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 26 Jan 2018 Member No.: 96,165 |
Great stuff - thanks for your time again
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Fri, 9 Feb 2018 - 11:41
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 26 Jan 2018 Member No.: 96,165 |
Hi all,
Was going to use the below letter in my appeal for starters.... Any feedback welcome before it goes in. Dear Sir/Madam, Re PCN number: XXXX I am the keeper of the vehicle which received this purported 'parking charge'. There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. I am not liable and I believe that your signs fail the test of 'large lettering' and prominence, as established in ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis.Your unremarkable and obscure signs are in small print and the onerous terms are not readable. Should you fail to cancel this PCN immediately, I require the following information with your template rejection: 1. Does your charge represent damages for breach of contract? Answer yes or no. 2. Please provide dated photos of the signs that you say were on site, which you contend formed a contract. 3. Please provide all photographs taken of this vehicle. I am alarmed by your contact and I do not give you consent to process any data relating to me, or this vehicle. I deny liability and will not respond to debt collectors. You must consider this letter a Section 10 Notice under the DPA, and should you fail to respond accordingly, your company will be reported to the Information Commissioner. I have kept proof of submission of this appeal and will also be making a formal complaint to your client landowner. If you are a current BPA member, send me a POPLA code. If you are an IPC firm, cease and desist with all contact. Yours faithfully, |
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Fri, 9 Feb 2018 - 12:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 28,687 Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Member No.: 15,642 |
Its a template for a reason.
No PPC reads appeals, they just reject. Reading takes time. |
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