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NIP for mobile phone offence - no longer registered keeper
Bengley
post Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 13:07
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I am no longer the registered keeper of a car. (I relieved myself of the vehicle to a reputable motor trader in April 2017)

I know how to fill out the NIP - I am also providing written confirmation from the DVLA that the vehicle is indeed no longer mine.

My question - as this is clearly an error by the police force involved, given that the DVLA's records clearly show I have not been the registered keeper now for some 18 months, why should I have to go to the shop and spend my own money on a stamp to return the NIP? If I return the NIP to the address provided but without a stamp, will they still receive it?

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post Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 13:09
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QUOTE (Bengley @ Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 14:07) *
as this is clearly an error by the police force involved


Not necessarily.

QUOTE (Bengley @ Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 14:07) *
If I return the NIP to the address provided but without a stamp, will they still receive it?


If you choose to return the envelope without a stamp, it could be declared not correctly posted and be your fault if it does not arrive. No point in playing silly games.

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Bengley
post Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 13:11
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QUOTE (peterguk @ Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 14:09) *
QUOTE (Bengley @ Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 14:07) *
as this is clearly an error by the police force involved


Not necessarily.


What are the other options?
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post Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 13:23
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QUOTE (Bengley @ Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 14:11) *
What are the other options?

Go to court and get 6 points, a large fine and an insurance-bashing MS90 endorsement.

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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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Bengley
post Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 13:23
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QUOTE (Jlc @ Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 14:23) *
QUOTE (Bengley @ Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 14:11) *
What are the other options?

Go to court and get 6 points?

That's not what I asked
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post Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 13:24
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QUOTE (Bengley @ Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 14:11) *
What are the other options?


The request may not be to you as the registered keeper, but able to assist as 'any other person shall if required as stated above give any information which it is in his power to give and may lead to identification of the driver' - s.172 (2) (b), Road Traffic Act 1988.




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post Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 13:25
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On the face of it you have been served with a valid legal obligation to provide information in the manner requested (in writing). You can either properly post it, deliver it personally (if it is not a PO Box), or get royally shafted for failing to provide information.

You may feel that it is unfair that you have this legal obligation. We are here to provide advice on legal matters, if you want tea and sympathy, go to see your Mum.


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post Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 13:25
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QUOTE (Bengley @ Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 14:23) *
That's not what I asked

So what are you asking? There may be a valid reason why they've contacted you as a previous registered keeper.

As you are not the RK you are not obliged to provide the driver's details but any information you have that may lead to the identification...


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request

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post Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 13:25
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If the vehicle is still "in trade", or if the new owner/keeper has not advised the DVLA, then you will still be on record as the "last known keeper". As such, the police will have followed proper procedure and are asking you for any information that you may be able to provide in order to trace the current keeper.
You should tell them that you sold it to a trader and provide the details and, if possible, a copy of the receipt. Clearly any evidence from the DVLA that you are not the current keeper would be useful as well. The police will then follow the trail until, if all goes well, they find the current keeper.
It's no big deal - happens frequently.
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Bengley
post Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 13:28
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QUOTE (localdriver @ Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 14:24) *
QUOTE (Bengley @ Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 14:11) *
What are the other options?


The request may not be to you as the registered keeper, but able to assist as 'any other person shall if required as stated above give any information which it is in his power to give and may lead to identification of the driver' - s.172 (2) (b), Road Traffic Act 1988.


This is what I asked.

Thanks for the helpful, non-patronising reply.

QUOTE (Steve_999 @ Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 14:25) *
If the vehicle is still "in trade", or if the new owner/keeper has not advised the DVLA, then you will still be on record as the "last known keeper". As such, the police will have followed proper procedure and are asking you for any information that you may be able to provide in order to trace the current keeper.
You should tell them that you sold it to a trader and provide the details and, if possible, a copy of the receipt. Clearly any evidence from the DVLA that you are not the current keeper would be useful as well. The police will then follow the trail until, if all goes well, they find the current keeper.
It's no big deal - happens frequently.


Cheers. I understand. I suspect as the vehicle was being driven some 70 miles from where I used to live, it is now owned by someone and the new 'keeper' has somehow not become the new keeper.

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QUOTE (Bengley @ Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 14:23) *
That's not what I asked

So what are you asking? There may be a valid reason why they've contacted you as a previous registered keeper.

As you are not the RK you are not obliged to provide the driver's details but any information you have that may lead to the identification...


Exactly. I was not asking what the penalty was if I didn't reply - I don't intend on not replying. I know what the penalty is for a s.172 offence.

I was asking what other reasons there could be for this being sent to me. Others have now answered this.
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Jlc
post Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 13:29
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Not patronising - it was a factual response. Simply provide the details of the dealership you sold the car to.


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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