PCN 624 Greenwich, help Options

[justanotherPCN]

Hi,

Looking for some advice with a couple of PCN's lovingly stuck to my windscreen today.

First off, yes, probably stupid trying to park where I did, Sunday, in a rush, not to familiar with the area and didn't believe I was causing an obstruction and couldn't see any parking restrictions... (Had planned to move the car at the end of the day but 12 hours on my feet got the better of me hence the second note the next morning having not returned to see the first....). Bit of an expensive lesson on London parking rules I guess, but I don't believe I was parked on a footway as the PCN details.

Second, question: Can two PCN's be issued within a 24h period for the 'same' contravention (vehicle having not moved in-between both been issues... that's the bit that grates...)? Are there ground for appealing the second on the basis it's the same contravention? There 'evidence' will corroborate this.


Thirdly looking for some advice on the PCN('s) If I had though it was a restricted area I would have though twice.. but having noticed people parking there on the odd occasion i've been in the area in the past I had assumed it was ok to...


Contravention 624
'Parked with one or more Wheeles on or over the footpath or any part of a road other than a carriageway (all wheels on footway)'

1/ The area is most definitely not a footway imo (thus can't have had 4 wheels over a footway) and I would argue is most definitely 'carriage way' due to been meant for vehicles (it leads to the river to ultimately give vehicles access to the rivers edge...), thus not 'other than a carriageway'

Taken from the Oxford English Dictionary:
carriageway
1.1 The part of a road intended for vehicles rather than pedestrians.



2/ There are no parking restrictions on the area in question as far as I can see, double yellows stop before it?? And the contravention does not mention parking restrictions anyway??

3/ Cant find any mention of the road named on the PCN anywhere, only a different road name.
If it is correct the 'road' can only be '45meters in length... as the other side of the pedestrian crossing area is called something different...?

4/ Do they have to provide any proof it is council, and not private, land? Or is that on me to look into?


Obviously I need to get any appeal off pronto, does doing that extend the 'discount' period or do I need a reply from them within the 14days?

Any help and advice (obviously don't try and park there again is not needed p ) appreciated on this. Right, some reading to do here!

Cheers,

matt



Attached:

Copies of PCN 1

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ibb.co/HFnkVLT


Copies of PCN 2

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ibb.co/DD9wrTD


Image of the area and parking location, show it's not (imo) a footway and where a footway does crosses the roadway etc.

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ibb.co/Pm6bg4j

[cp8759]

Result

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[justanotherPCN]

Indeed a result, but not a victory...

Glad it's sorted and can be put to bed and forgotten about, but, irked by their replied to say 'The PCN's were valid, but we muffedup' I'd like to think that is their opinion, not fact, (that the PCN's were valid, even if just on the basis the 2nd was a continuous contravention). It would have been nice to get an adjudicators view on the matter.

Is it possible they deliberately left it to time out, to avoid a possible loss at adjudication, or are they more likely just that inept? Would be interesting to here if anyone else has come on here for a PCN in the same spot (they seem to hand them out like confetti there..) and how it went.


In any case, thank you all very much for your help ad input on this thread, appreciated!

m