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Motorcycle NIP in NYP B6451 Possible Incorrect Vehicle Identified
ian505050
post Sun, 16 Sep 2018 - 13:37
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I have been issued with a NIP as attached ending in 520

It states I was doing 69mph in a 60mph zone at 19:25 on 12.9.18 on my motorcycle.

I received the NIP in the post 3 days later on 15.9.18.

The NIP was issued by North Yorkshire Police and has the correct Registration but they have not provided any evidence photos (which is common practice)

The Location of the offence is detailed as B6451 Long Stoop Farm, South of A59 Junction. I know this route extremely well as I have travelled this route over the past few years hundreds of times. Google 'long stoop harrogate HG3 1SN' to find the location of the farm close to the B6451

On the date of the alleged offence I was following another random motorcycle at the speed limit along some twisty roads past The Sun Inn (Near Harrogate) and heading north along the B6451.

As you are travelling along the B6451 North Bound you approach a section of road approximately 0.8 km long that is very straight but has a slight hidden dip and a lay-by where a speed camera van parks (hides) facing the traffic approaching the A59 Junction. I am very aware of this speed camera van location as about 6 months ago I received a speeding ticket from the van parked in this location.

As I approached the 0.8km section of road where my bike is visible to the speed camera van I slowed down to perhaps 50mph just to be super safe. At that point I noticed that the random motorcycle in front of me did not slow down and in-fact accelerated as we started the straight where the speed camera van was located. I felt sorry for the guy as he had not noticed the speed camera van in the distance and he accelerated to perhaps 70 to 80 mph as he approached the camera van. It seems he panic braked about 300m before the camera van which was probably too late an he would more than likely receive a ticket.

I am without doubt that I did not travel at more than 50mph for the full section of of the road and clearly nowhere near 69mph (that's quite a big difference)

So....... Fast forward 3 days later and I was shocked to receive a NIP from that camera van at that very location! After spending many hours scratching my head I can only assume that the camera van must have taken a speed reading and associated front on photo from the motorcycle in front of me and then as we passed the camera van must have taken a photo of the rear of my motorcycle in error.

Both bikes as far as I can tell were a similar type and similar colour-ish. It should be noted that several lorries passed across the line of sight of the speed camera operator as both bikes approached the camera van. Hopefully the front facing photograph the police hold with the speed reading is not of my vehicle but as they make it difficult to view the photos before going to court I am unsure what to do.

I have 28 Days to respond to the NIP so any advice in the meantime would be greatly appreciated.

See Attached NIP and image of the location of the alleged offence from google maps




Location of alleged offence

B6451
Harrogate HG3 1SD
53.996217, -1.691582




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post Fri, 31 May 2019 - 05:58
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When looking at costs in a civil case a day off is considered a days loss of pay as you have lost the use of that day off you may otherwise have had.
In addition at work I can sell my days off back to the company so taking a day off I could sell them back would be a loss of earnings to me anyway.


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post Mon, 24 Jun 2019 - 12:03
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I have now had a response and a letter offering compensation.

Should I finally be satisfied that the police have put enough thought into making sure they don't issues motorcyclist with speeding tickets when an offence has not been committed?

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post Mon, 24 Jun 2019 - 12:42
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That seems to me a reasonable offer of compensation, taken with the reimbursement of the course fee. You have assurances that their systems have been corrected to prevent this type of error recurring and that is as much as you can reasonably expect, I think. The Commissioner being an elected official, he will wish to avoid appearing ineffectual should this matter arise again. You might consider writing to your local newspaper to suggest that any riders affected in the future should write to the Commissioner as well as the newspaper.


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post Mon, 24 Jun 2019 - 12:57
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I agree, seems a reasonable offer, they aren't being anal about it, I'd accept and move on.


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