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New Address - No PCN - Missed Order for Recovery
Matador
post Tue, 9 Apr 2019 - 18:02
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Hi all,

I moved address on 17/11/2018 and admittedly forgot to update the details on my V5C.

I had a Royal Mail redirection in place from moving.

By chance we bumped into the new owner of our old address last week who said she had recieved some of our post - upon collecting this today I've found a charge certificate from Ealing Council dated 24/01/19 referencing a traffic convention (turned left at a no left turn) that occurred on 27/11/2018.

The original offence was witnessed by camera - however I received no PCN via redirection.

The charge certificate has also gone directly to my previous address, and not been captured in the redirection (redirection was active at the time of issue and is still active).

I've then gone searching through my post (had some letters sat in the kitchen which I'd assumed were just junk mail (plain white envelopes, no specific marking to indiciate fine etc) and one of them was a order for recovery of the unpaid penalty charge, issued on 25/02/19.

I've obviously now missed the 21 days to pay/respond.

I've checked the Ealing parking website and it's still giving me the option to pay the increased fine of £203 (originally £65). On the status box it says "NoDR sent" - not sure what this means - maybe notice of debt recovery?

Both the original PCN not getting to me, or the charge certificate going to my old address seems strange, however I do appreciate I should have updated the V5C, and should have opened the order for recovery. If I pay the £203 now, is this likely to resolve this, or will it already have been passed to a debt recovery firm?

Any advice welcome, thanks in advance.

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post Tue, 9 Apr 2019 - 18:17
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You should be OK with this as PCN was only 10 days after move. Someone else will advise.
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post Tue, 9 Apr 2019 - 20:56
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When did you get around to updating your V5C ?

Having missed the 28 day deadline for submitting an in-time Statutory Declaration, you can now only submit an Out-of-Time one. The big difference between the two is that an OOT SD can be opposed by the council, who will state that all the statutory enforcement documents were sent to the V5C address. TEC will then reject your OOT SD. If, however, it was a matter of the V5C having been sent off to the DVLA and they had not updated the address when they received an on-line request for your name and address, then you're in with a chance. There is also a facility, if an OOT SD is rejected, to pay to have the decision reviewed by a County Court judge. This costs £100 for a papers review or £255 for an interview with the judge "in chambers". Neither sum is recoverable. Submitting an OOT SD is free, BTW.
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post Tue, 9 Apr 2019 - 22:24
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I haven’t updated the address on the V5C - completely forgot to do it.

To be honest i’ll happily just pay the increased fine, however I don’t want to pay that and then find out that it’s been passed to debt collection already, and lose the £203, if that could happen?
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post Wed, 10 Apr 2019 - 13:21
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Phone TEC and ask if you can file 'in time'.

If the answer is 'no', ask if a warrant has been authorised.

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post Wed, 10 Apr 2019 - 13:35
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QUOTE (Matador @ Tue, 9 Apr 2019 - 22:24) *
I haven’t updated the address on the V5C - completely forgot to do it.

Wot and still haven't after this?

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post Wed, 10 Apr 2019 - 13:48
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I can't see the OP having any success with an OOT. He has not yet updated the V5C for a move in November 2018 !
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post Wed, 10 Apr 2019 - 15:41
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QUOTE (Incandescent @ Wed, 10 Apr 2019 - 13:48) *
I can't see the OP having any success with an OOT. He has not yet updated the V5C for a move in November 2018 !

Is that relevant to whether or not he would or could have received the PCN?


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post Wed, 10 Apr 2019 - 15:59
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QUOTE (Incandescent @ Wed, 10 Apr 2019 - 14:48) *
I can't see the OP having any success with an OOT. He has not yet updated the V5C for a move in November 2018 !


The offence happened 10 days after he moved. DVLA wouldn't have processed the update even if he had sent it the day after moving. Plus he had mail redirection in place, so he should have received the PCN. Surely no harm (and a reasonable chance??) with a well worded OOT?
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post Wed, 10 Apr 2019 - 21:06
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QUOTE (TigerRob @ Wed, 10 Apr 2019 - 16:59) *
QUOTE (Incandescent @ Wed, 10 Apr 2019 - 14:48) *
I can't see the OP having any success with an OOT. He has not yet updated the V5C for a move in November 2018 !


The offence happened 10 days after he moved. DVLA wouldn't have processed the update even if he had sent it the day after moving. Plus he had mail redirection in place, so he should have received the PCN. Surely no harm (and a reasonable chance??) with a well worded OOT?

Well, submitting an OOT is free, so the OP can go ahead. I would be very happy to be proved wrong in this case. However, I have to say that the OP seems rather too casual in dealing with mail and with updating documents with new address. I think the mail redirection might swing it his way when the council say they sent everything to the V5C address.

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QUOTE (Incandescent @ Wed, 10 Apr 2019 - 21:06) *
the OP seems rather too casual in dealing with --------

and with the common decency of acknowledging responses/suggestions here; confirming understanding
and action, etc.


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