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Tour de Yorkshire Close Shave
StuartBu
post Tue, 8 May 2018 - 18:10
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When this volunteer at the Tour de Yorkshire got up yesterday I doubt he was thinking that he was going to have such a close encounter with death . He says himself he can't believe how lucky he was .
Looking at the clip of what happened and bearing in mind a " Rolling Road Closure" was in operation would you expect the Police to have taken an interest in what the Astana driver did. He also should be thinking himself lucky the volunteer marshal was so quick to run out of the way ....could have been really nasty .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk22ktxPRtU

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post Tue, 8 May 2018 - 20:03
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Definitely a lot of luck involved.

I am always surprised more accidents don't happen. I never really get why support cars drive alongside riders. As they are radio linked surely it wouldn't be a huge difference just to have them behind, and come up when required. It can't be safe to concentrate both on driving and also dozens of high speed cyclists, as this incident shows.
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post Tue, 8 May 2018 - 22:27
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I always knew cyclists were dangerous.... especially when allowed in a car laughing6.gif laughing6.gif

Bit close for comfort that was.
And will be a large bill for the road ornaments.
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post Tue, 8 May 2018 - 23:48
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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Tue, 8 May 2018 - 21:03) *
Definitely a lot of luck involved.

I am always surprised more accidents don't happen. I never really get why support cars drive alongside riders. As they are radio linked surely it wouldn't be a huge difference just to have them behind, and come up when required. It can't be safe to concentrate both on driving and also dozens of high speed cyclists, as this incident shows.


I think that's the way it works most of the time ..Team cars can't just drive up and down willy nilly ....They need to get the go ahead from the Commissaires and it's usually because of mechanical or medical needs. A lot of the time when riders and cars are alongside each other it is when riders have drifted back down through the peleton and are among the team cars so it's not so much that the cars are alongside the bikes ..it's the bikes that are alongside the cars .

QUOTE (DancingDad @ Tue, 8 May 2018 - 23:27) *
I always knew cyclists were dangerous.... especially when allowed in a car laughing6.gif laughing6.gif

Bit close for comfort that was.
And will be a large bill for the road ornaments.


I guess Astana can afford it ..As for the driver ..team car drivers have been thrown off Tours for things like that . His mind,as Director Sportiv was probably occupied with a lot of other things

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Lets hope the driver is charged with driving without due care and attention. It appears to be a pretty blatent open and shut case. The Tour de Yorkshire is and was a huge waste of money. East Riding of Yorkshire CC, paid £100,000 for the tour to start in Beverley. That could have paid for dozens of adult service home helps for a year. The council got nowt back for that £100,000


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QUOTE (oldstoat @ Sun, 13 May 2018 - 19:26) *
Lets hope the driver is charged with driving without due care and attention. It appears to be a pretty blatent open and shut case. The Tour de Yorkshire is and was a huge waste of money. East Riding of Yorkshire CC, paid £100,000 for the tour to start in Beverley. That could have paid for dozens of adult service home helps for a year. The council got nowt back for that £100,000

Is section 3 RTA available in the circumstances?


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post Sun, 13 May 2018 - 21:42
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Presumably you are asking whether it was "a road or other public place" at the time of the incident, and implying that it is not?


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post Mon, 14 May 2018 - 04:59
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I'm not sure he's implying but just genuinely asking, based presumably on the fact that the road was closed to the public at the time so while in the normal course of events it would be a road or other public place, was it at the time of the incident.


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QUOTE (andy_foster @ Sun, 13 May 2018 - 22:42) *
Presumably you are asking whether it was "a road or other public place" at the time of the incident, and implying that it is not?

Well I know the Deregulation Act 2015 made a number of provisions allowing many RTA offences to be dis-applied when motor racing takes place and I'm wondering if there's any equivalent provision here. On the other hand, if a decision by the local authority to close the road to the public is sufficient, one wonders why explicit statutory provisions were made in the Deregulation Act to dis-apply a number of offences.


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post Mon, 14 May 2018 - 10:05
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QUOTE (oldstoat @ Sun, 13 May 2018 - 19:26) *
Lets hope the driver is charged with driving without due care and attention. It appears to be a pretty blatent open and shut case. The Tour de Yorkshire is and was a huge waste of money. East Riding of Yorkshire CC, paid £100,000 for the tour to start in Beverley. That could have paid for dozens of adult service home helps for a year. The council got nowt back for that £100,000

Councils are meant to work for the good of an area. I would imagine the amount of money it bought in to local businesses ismany times that.
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 14 May 2018 - 05:59) *
I'm not sure he's implying but just genuinely asking, based presumably on the fact that the road was closed to the public at the time so while in the normal course of events it would be a road or other public place, was it at the time of the incident.

Only closed to vehicles not pedestrians.
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post Mon, 14 May 2018 - 10:20
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Was it? I though pedestrians were prohibited as well, duration may have been shorter but at the relevant time.....

There doesn't have to be a physical barrier for it to be closed.

Academic anyway as my understanding is its still a road or public place.


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post Mon, 14 May 2018 - 11:02
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 14 May 2018 - 11:20) *
Was it? I though pedestrians were prohibited as well, duration may have been shorter but at the relevant time.....

There doesn't have to be a physical barrier for it to be closed.

Academic anyway as my understanding is its still a road or public place.



They used a " Rolling Road Closure" setup which is common in this country . Pedestrians are not prohibited as the whole event centres round crowds of spectators along the route- the above video wouldnt have been taken if spectators had been banned . As for barriers these are kept to a minimum- dangerous bends and finishing straights for example.
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post Mon, 14 May 2018 - 11:15
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QUOTE (StuartBu @ Mon, 14 May 2018 - 12:02) *
They used a " Rolling Road Closure" setup which is common in this country . Pedestrians are not prohibited as the whole event centres round crowds of spectators along the route- the above video wouldnt have been taken if spectators had been banned . As for barriers these are kept to a minimum- dangerous bends and finishing straights for example.

I'm pretty sure members of the public are not allowed on the carriageway though.


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post Mon, 14 May 2018 - 11:17
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The roadway can be closed to pedestrians while they can stand on the footway! Erm obvious innit?


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post Mon, 14 May 2018 - 11:23
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 14 May 2018 - 12:17) *
The roadway can be closed to pedestrians while they can stand on the footway! Erm obvious innit?


Uhm.
What's a roadway ? wink.gif

I assume you mean carriageway.

Do agree BTW, to me if any access to the highway is allowed, most can be claimed is limited closure but highway still a public road.

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post Mon, 14 May 2018 - 11:43
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Mon, 14 May 2018 - 12:23) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 14 May 2018 - 12:17) *
The roadway can be closed to pedestrians while they can stand on the footway! Erm obvious innit?


Uhm.
What's a roadway ? wink.gif

I assume you mean carriageway.

Do agree BTW, to me if any access to the highway is allowed, most can be claimed is limited closure but highway still a public road.

I'm not sure the carriageway was a public place at the time, but then the fact that for motor racing they've felt the need to include a statutory provision to dis-apply the offence suggests that the road closure might not be enough.


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post Mon, 14 May 2018 - 19:14
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Bit of a red herring, the incident would have still happened as the guy wasn't a spectator, he was a marshal directing the riders and support cars to use either side of the island.
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post Tue, 15 May 2018 - 15:39
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QUOTE (captain swoop @ Mon, 14 May 2018 - 20:14) *
Bit of a red herring, the incident would have still happened as the guy wasn't a spectator, he was a marshal directing the riders and support cars to use either side of the island.

I don't see the relevance of that.


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StuartBu
post Tue, 15 May 2018 - 15:53
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 15 May 2018 - 16:39) *
QUOTE (captain swoop @ Mon, 14 May 2018 - 20:14) *
Bit of a red herring, the incident would have still happened as the guy wasn't a spectator, he was a marshal directing the riders and support cars to use either side of the island.

I don't see the relevance of that.


I think the point that was being made was that discussing whether the road being closed to traffic but not to pedestrians and is it or is it not a Public Road is irrelevant to what happened as the guy that nearly got killed wasn't a pedestrian ....he was a race official. Where it might be relevant is with regard to the car driver and what action ( if any) was taken about his conduct .....nothing has been heard so I guess nothing was done ....which I find surprising!!
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