liverpool john lennon JLA |
Helping the motorist get justice 
Helping the motorist get justice
liverpool john lennon JLA |
 Sat, 7 Nov 2015 - 15:20
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Member Group: Members Posts: 31 Joined: 7 Nov 2015 Member No.: 80,483  |
hi
we had a vcs issued to owner who was not the driver [image 1]  i replied with following copied off here : Dear VCS I challenge this charge on the following grounds 1) There is no keeper liability 2) There can be no contract; the signage is not safely readable at road speeds, being too wordy, inappropriately sited and containing too small a font 3) The contract fails various consumer laws, notably UTCCR 1999 (unequal bargaining power) and also Consumer Distance Contract regulations 4) The charge is not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and is not saved as a penalty by ParkingEye v Beavis 5) The keeper was not the driver 6) Your signs don't currently have permission with Liverpool City Council Please provide me with access to the IAS if you do not agree with my challenge. thanks xxxx xxxx xxxx ----------------- vcs urchins have replied back with this [image2]  can you experts let me know should i just ignore from here , or do i do anything else ? ive been reading a lot for last couple of hours and still unsure . nice one for all your hard work keeping this forum running , its appreciated . |
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Sat, 7 Nov 2015 - 15:39
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,337 Joined: 4 Jan 2007 Member No.: 9,897 |
yes , a nice robust appeal to the IAS , firstly this will cost VCS money , and secondly , and more importantly , armed with the feeble lying reply they give , VCS will not dare to push you to court.
as of now they always back out of airport cases in court , because a judge would see thru them and there game would be up. DO NOT name yourself when replying |
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Sat, 7 Nov 2015 - 15:49
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Member Group: Members Posts: 31 Joined: 7 Nov 2015 Member No.: 80,483 |
hi thanks for reply
sorry , just to clarify i just ignore this and all future correspondence from these chancers and their red lettered letters ? thanks , "the unamed" lol This post has been edited by robLFC: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 - 15:50 |
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Sat, 7 Nov 2015 - 15:51
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,337 Joined: 4 Jan 2007 Member No.: 9,897 |
QUOTE (robLFC @ Sat, 7 Nov 2015 - 15:49)  hi thanks for reply sorry , just to clarify i just ignore this and all future correspondence from these chancers and their red lettered letters ? thanks , "the unamed" lol yes , a nice robust appeal to the IAS , firstly this will cost VCS money , and secondly , and more importantly , armed with the feeble lying reply they give , VCS will not dare to push you to court. as of now they always back out of airport cases in court , because a judge would see thru them and there game would be up. DO NOT name yourself when replying |
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Sat, 7 Nov 2015 - 16:52
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Member Group: Members Posts: 31 Joined: 7 Nov 2015 Member No.: 80,483 |
so do i re-copy previously sent info to them
where do i find details of these , can i do it by email thanks dude |
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Sun, 8 Nov 2015 - 00:16
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Member Group: Members Posts: 28,687 Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Member No.: 15,642 |
Multiple VCS challenges around.
Personally I wouldn't bother. You'll just get increasingly desperate begging letters. |
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Sun, 8 Nov 2015 - 21:15
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Member Group: Members Posts: 31 Joined: 7 Nov 2015 Member No.: 80,483 |
ok i will just wait and let you know their next desperate move .
you guys rock ! |
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Sun, 8 Nov 2015 - 21:21
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,068 Joined: 18 Oct 2012 Member No.: 57,768 |
QUOTE (robLFC @ Sun, 8 Nov 2015 - 21:15) ok i will just wait and let you know their next desperate move . you guys rock ! I would write one last letter stating that the debt is denied for the reasons stated in your previous letter, that the IAS is not appropriate due to well publicised reports of incompetence and bias, but you would be open to ADR using the consumer ombudsman. This protects you against debt collector charges to some degree. |
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Mon, 9 Nov 2015 - 11:11
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Member Group: Members Posts: 194 Joined: 16 Feb 2014 Member No.: 68,795 |
What about JLA bylaws
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Mon, 9 Nov 2015 - 11:27
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QUOTE (mullie @ Mon, 9 Nov 2015 - 12:11) What about JLA bylaws What about them? Here's one highly persistent individual who's been fobbed off, sidestepped and Sir Humphrey'd at every twist and turn in trying to establish 'the truth'! https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/dft_...outgoing-477382 This post has been edited by Umkomaas: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 - 11:28 |
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Mon, 9 Nov 2015 - 14:13
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Member Group: Members Posts: 194 Joined: 16 Feb 2014 Member No.: 68,795 |
Wasn't it proven that the bylaws wher Inforce and therefore no tickets can be issued or am I mistaken ???? Which I might be
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Mon, 9 Nov 2015 - 16:58
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,167 Joined: 6 Oct 2012 Member No.: 57,558 |
We know the by-laws are in existence and in force but not enforced but they conveniently cannot find them or forget they exist. Looking at all the airport threads they never go anywhere as no straight answer ever comes, well who would reveal their lucrative money making exercise is built on sand. You will get no closure on this, it will never go to court and my advice instead is to file all the toilet paper safely, ignore and get on with you life. If real court papers or a real letter before claim appears then come back, loads of help will be given as the court would be packed to see the fun.
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Mon, 9 Nov 2015 - 18:15
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 Member Group: Members Posts: 56,261 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
The only way this will get to court is for someone to pay and then sue JLA/VCS for the money back....it could be costly as they will throw the kitchen sink at the defence so the claimant will need to be preferred to fight that.
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
S172's Rookies 1-0 Kent Council PCN's Rookies 1-0 Warwick Rookies 1-0 Birmingham PPC PCN's Rookies 10-0 PPC's |
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Tue, 10 Nov 2015 - 20:54
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 Member Group: Members Posts: 8,582 Joined: 9 Feb 2006 Member No.: 4,813 |
See this. It explains why it'll not go to court.
-------------------- The Asda shopping trolley parking ticket enthusiast
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Wed, 11 Nov 2015 - 11:25
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Member Group: Members Posts: 31 Joined: 7 Nov 2015 Member No.: 80,483 |
superb info , thanks guys
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 Mon, 11 Jan 2016 - 17:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 31 Joined: 7 Nov 2015 Member No.: 80,483 |
hi guys and best for new year ...
can you advise on this new letter please ? arent they absolute pests haha , almost sounds concincing just for a moment  cheers rob 
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Mon, 11 Jan 2016 - 17:47
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17,088 Joined: 8 Mar 2013 Member No.: 60,457 |
Ignore.
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Mon, 11 Jan 2016 - 18:28
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Member Group: Members Posts: 31 Joined: 7 Nov 2015 Member No.: 80,483 |
thanks mate , i will come back at the next episode haha
this was link incl in that letter , relates to parking , in my case the driver didnt park , plus the driver is not the named owner either way i will ignore lol https://www.supremecourt.uk/watch/uksc-2015...6/judgment.html This post has been edited by robLFC: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 - 18:43 |
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Mon, 11 Jan 2016 - 18:32
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 Member Group: Members Posts: 1,535 Joined: 16 Jan 2009 From: Up north Member No.: 25,505 |
You could write to them explaining that Beavis v PE does not apply in this case. But you would like to refer them to Arkell v Pressdram
-------------------- Bridges burnt, Rubicons crossed. Parthian shots delivered, but always with style
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Mon, 11 Jan 2016 - 18:59
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Member Group: Members Posts: 28,687 Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Member No.: 15,642 |
This has popped up a lot recently. Ignore. It's crap.
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