53j ham Park road |
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Wed, 7 Dec 2022 - 17:41
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 19 Nov 2022 Member No.: 118,375 |
I received a PCN today that I was in a restricted area at the time, I am bb holder and it states on their website that their is exemption for bb holders do I have grounds for appeal? Any help would be much appreciated.
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Wed, 7 Dec 2022 - 17:41
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Wed, 7 Dec 2022 - 18:04
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
So another one - is this also a school street zone?
Again, what were you doing driving into the zone at this time? |
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Wed, 7 Dec 2022 - 23:18
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,134 Joined: 25 May 2022 Member No.: 116,704 |
This looks like the Notice:-
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/3709550 Experimental so they should have made a permanent Order by now--best to check. No exemption for BB holders. Mick |
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Wed, 7 Dec 2022 - 23:21
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 19 Nov 2022 Member No.: 118,375 |
Yes unfortunately they have installed new restrictions in places that wasn't there before
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Wed, 7 Dec 2022 - 23:49
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Member Group: Members Posts: 29,270 Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Member No.: 16,671 |
No, the restriction isn't new at all, as you can see from the linked order.
What was the purpose of your journey? You mentioned carrying a BB holder in the other thread. -------------------- |
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Thu, 8 Dec 2022 - 02:16
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 19 Nov 2022 Member No.: 118,375 |
I was picking my daughter up from school in Upton Lane, I had to use this route because Romford Road (main road) was closed off by the police because of an accident near ibis hotel (Stratford end) and again I used this road before many years ago without such restrictions and I thought there were no restrictions when I did use it but seems like to me the decision I made again was the wrong one
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Thu, 8 Dec 2022 - 11:18
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Give us the PCN number and the number plate so that we can look at the video.
Here is The Newham (Pedestrian and Cycle Zones) (No. 2) Experimental Traffic Order 2021 but it expired on 18 July 2022 unless the Secretary of State granted an extension, which seems unlikely. A permanent order is announced here so I'll ask for a copy. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Thu, 8 Dec 2022 - 13:05
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 19 Nov 2022 Member No.: 118,375 |
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Fri, 9 Dec 2022 - 10:35
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Again the video leaves little scope to argue the contravention.
Have you applied for a permit? This post has been edited by cp8759: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 - 10:35 -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Fri, 9 Dec 2022 - 16:10
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 19 Nov 2022 Member No.: 118,375 |
Again I haven't applied for the permit
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Fri, 9 Dec 2022 - 17:30
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Again I haven't applied for the permit If you're entitled to one, why not? Showing that you have a permit, or are in the process of getting one, would help bolster the mitigation case. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Sat, 10 Dec 2022 - 08:04
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 19 Nov 2022 Member No.: 118,375 |
I don't live in the area or use the road at all this was a one off, is it better just to pay it?
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Sat, 10 Dec 2022 - 10:20
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,134 Joined: 25 May 2022 Member No.: 116,704 |
Because of the Blue Badge ask the Council to exercise their discretion and cancel the PCN. You can state that it mentions BB holders are exempt on their website (give them a screenshot).
Otherwise give them the circumstances of the journey and indicate the restriction made it difficult for disabled access. Mick |
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Sun, 11 Dec 2022 - 02:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 19 Nov 2022 Member No.: 118,375 |
Cheers mick,
I'll write something up and post here to get approval |
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Sun, 11 Dec 2022 - 09:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 35,072 Joined: 2 Aug 2008 From: Woking Member No.: 21,551 |
There is no exemption for BB holders as such IMO. The narrative on their website states: Blue Badge holders must identify reasonable access requirements for example; You currently work within the restriction zone You or your child is a blue badge holder and must be escorted to school using a vehicle But this applies to the specified school(s) within the zones(otherwise there's no imperative to enter the zone), but the OP's was not and therefore the 'escorting to school' does not apply. IMO it is not an exemption for any other BB holder escorting a child to a school outside the zone. In any event, the child was not in the vehicle |
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Thu, 15 Dec 2022 - 17:06
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 19 Nov 2022 Member No.: 118,375 |
I just paid the fine, conflicting thoughts which is why there's this forum I appreciate for everyone's help and wish everyone a very Happy Christmas
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Sat, 17 Dec 2022 - 12:59
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,134 Joined: 25 May 2022 Member No.: 116,704 |
OP---your decision but I am rather peeved that a contrary view pushed you into paying. IMO, regardless of opinion, the Council should have been put to the question.
Mick |
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Wed, 11 Jan 2023 - 00:08
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
It's academic for the OP, but for future reference here's The Newham (Pedestrian and Cycle Zone) (No. 2) Traffic Order 2022.
-------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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