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Slatz
post Mon, 30 Dec 2019 - 14:42
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-50948901

Is that a Parking Eye form?
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post Mon, 30 Dec 2019 - 15:45
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Time to get onto the landowner......


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Hopefully it wasn't the police trotting out the "Police vehicles are exempt from fines when performing operational duties" line...


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post Mon, 30 Dec 2019 - 16:48
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QUOTE (Fredd @ Mon, 30 Dec 2019 - 16:28) *
Hopefully it wasn't the police trotting out the "Police vehicles are exempt from fines when performing operational duties" line...

Well maybe they should read Metropolitan Police v London Borough of Islington (2110206764, 16 May 2011) http://bit.ly/2QwCBGD

There is no exemption in Schedule 19 for Police vehicles; and it would seem the Council is not prepared to exercise the
discretion one would normally expect on the basis that this is not a case where the letter of the law had to be broken for
pressing operational reasons


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post Mon, 30 Dec 2019 - 17:48
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It's a private parking charge... So the driver could be liable...?


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QUOTE (Fredd @ Mon, 30 Dec 2019 - 16:28) *
Hopefully it wasn't the police trotting out the "Police vehicles are exempt from fines when performing operational duties" line...



its not a fine though is it


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QUOTE (oldstoat @ Mon, 30 Dec 2019 - 17:54) *
QUOTE (Fredd @ Mon, 30 Dec 2019 - 16:28) *
Hopefully it wasn't the police trotting out the "Police vehicles are exempt from fines when performing operational duties" line...



its not a fine though is it

That's part of the point I was making. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Jlc @ Mon, 30 Dec 2019 - 17:48) *
It's a private parking charge... So the driver could be liable...?

Well the PPC could establish the identity of the driver and go after them personally. It's highly unlikely the terms and conditions will include an exemption for emergency vehicles, I've never seen such an exemption in any private parking signs.


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post Mon, 30 Dec 2019 - 19:12
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Let’s hope some parking company staff need the police one day but unfortunately the police won’t be able to attend because they’re too busy filling out parking appeal forms.
Or are unable to find a parking space without the risk of being “fined”.
The world has gone effing mad.
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post Mon, 30 Dec 2019 - 20:00
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QUOTE (Charlie1010 @ Mon, 30 Dec 2019 - 19:12) *
Let’s hope some parking company staff need the police one day but unfortunately the police won’t be able to attend because they’re too busy filling out parking appeal forms.
Or are unable to find a parking space without the risk of being “fined”.
The world has gone effing mad.

On the other hand there's an argument to be made that the police should be subject to the same rules as everyone else, and if they were on an emergency call sending the relevant form signed by a senior officer takes all of five minutes. The police routinely do this for council PCNs, or even speed or red light cameras where the photo happens not to have captured any blue lights (either due to bad timing or where for operational reasons, blue lights were not in use), it's an established process and all forces have a pro-forma letter that the duty inspector can sign off.

Otherwise some officers might be tempted to think they can park where they like during their break because the law doesn't apply to them, which wouldn't be right either.


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post Mon, 30 Dec 2019 - 20:18
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QUOTE (Slatz @ Mon, 30 Dec 2019 - 14:42) *

It's Euro Car Parks.
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It may well have been an automated / ANPR charge.


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post Tue, 31 Dec 2019 - 08:36
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Why should the police be subject to the same rules as everybody else?
In the speeding forum people complain about camera vans parked “illegally“.
And then the posts come in saying that they’re allowed to do that.
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post Tue, 31 Dec 2019 - 11:33
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QUOTE (Charlie1010 @ Tue, 31 Dec 2019 - 08:36) *
Why should the police be subject to the same rules as everybody else?


Quite a few reasons, not least because the law applies to everyone, even the police.

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In the speeding forum people complain about camera vans parked “illegally“.
And then the posts come in saying that they’re allowed to do that.
Thank you

No, the replies (at least the correct ones) say that it doesn’t render any evidence obtained inadmissible, not that the police’s actions are lawful.


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post Tue, 31 Dec 2019 - 13:16
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QUOTE (Glacier2 @ Mon, 30 Dec 2019 - 20:18) *
QUOTE (Slatz @ Mon, 30 Dec 2019 - 14:42) *

It's Euro Car Parks.


Don't Euro Car Parks only go to Court around once a year? Doesn't seem much likelihood of this proceeding.
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post Tue, 31 Dec 2019 - 16:46
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QUOTE (Charlie1010 @ Tue, 31 Dec 2019 - 08:36) *
Why should the police be subject to the same rules as everybody else?
In the speeding forum people complain about camera vans parked “illegally“.
And then the posts come in saying that they’re allowed to do that.
Thank you

As has been pointed out, the fact that evidence of a crime has been obtained or has come to light by unlawful means does not mean that evidence cannot be used, see for example https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/eu...ce-9017867.html https://www.foxnews.com/story/british-man-j...-over-to-police or https://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/06/us/calif...bust/index.html

I also don't see why the police should be above the law: if a police officer parks on double yellows during his break so he can pop into the shop where he wants to buy some lunch, or if an officer drives down a bus lane to get a fresh bottle of milk back to the station before the inspector's tea goes cold, why exactly should they not be dealt with just like everybody else?

The City of London's enforcement policy says this (my emphasis):

Police vehicle on duty – unmarked

A letter or pre-agreed form is required from a Superintendent, or higher-ranking
officer, confirming the situation. Cancel and refund.

Police not on duty

In this situation, where an officer has chosen to drive to work or park for other
reasons, enforce. They should know better.


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post Wed, 1 Jan 2020 - 21:18
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They are attending a crime or investigating a crime they’re not getting milk from the shop.
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post Wed, 1 Jan 2020 - 22:19
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QUOTE (Charlie1010 @ Wed, 1 Jan 2020 - 21:18) *
They are attending a crime or investigating a crime they’re not getting milk from the shop.

And?


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post Thu, 2 Jan 2020 - 07:44
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This is what i was referring to.


I also don't see why the police should be above the law: if a police officer parks on double yellows during his break so he can pop into the shop where he wants to buy some lunch, or if an officer drives down a bus lane to get a fresh bottle of milk back to the station before the inspector's tea goes cold, why exactly should they not be dealt with just like everybody else?
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post Thu, 2 Jan 2020 - 08:52
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Which you're using totally out of the context it was being put to, which was pointing out the errors in your silly comment about camera vans of course.


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