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PCN: Failing to comply with a no entry restriction N22
max007
post Mon, 2 Oct 2017 - 21:26
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Received a PCN for the above in Stirling Road N22.

The no entry restriction doesn't seem to serve any purpose apart from earning Haringey Co a few extra pounds in the coffers - Stirling Road is a two way street, apart from this junction with Dunbar Road.

Once you travel down Dunbar Road, you are essentially trapped - there is a no entry restriction blocking access to Perth Road & no access via Stirling Road.

There are is no signage regarding the use of traffic enforcement cameras - does this make any difference?

In addition, there was a major fire in the locality at the time of the contravention which resulted in a number of major roads being blocked and the police redirecting traffic to this very road!
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post Tue, 28 Nov 2017 - 23:15
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post the other pages of the PCN and NoR if this is going to be a technical appeal then lets get it all
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max007
post Wed, 29 Nov 2017 - 22:47
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Tue, 28 Nov 2017 - 23:15) *
post the other pages of the PCN and NoR if this is going to be a technical appeal then lets get it all


Ok - here goes:






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post Wed, 29 Nov 2017 - 23:04
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you have until the 19th December to register your appeal. Lets get all the ducks in a row. I need the rest of the PCN please post it as asked.

A great deal of an appeal here will be technical in nature, i will need spend a few hours on it and don't want to spend the time if you don't fancy the fight. If you do i will gladly draft an appeal for you.

there can be no guarantees but you will have a good shot. One thing to bear in mind is that you have to pay £65 now or take a double or quits bet, where if you lose payment will be sometime between 4 and 6 months so not to hard to save the difference at a few quid a week.

I'm not a Londoner and don't really know where to search, but a major fire would have been covered in the local press, find what you can about it. That a police officer on scene directs you is an exemption, that the council were not aware it was happening does not matter, you need to show an adjudicator on the balance of probability this is what happened
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post Wed, 29 Nov 2017 - 23:12
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Fire - it was a big one:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41312007
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/855814/To...orth-London-LFB
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/18...laze-warehouse/
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post Wed, 29 Nov 2017 - 23:20
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Can you mark on Google maps the location of the fire in relation to the location of the contravention.
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post Wed, 29 Nov 2017 - 23:27
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Pretty near - Stirling Road bottom left, industrial estate on White Hart Lane top right.

The no entry looks to be just off that extract to the left of the map on Stirling and Dunbar - I expect police directed traffic away from going up towards White Hart Lane.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6012385,-0....3312!8i6656



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post Wed, 29 Nov 2017 - 23:49
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thanks stamf.

max what was you intended destination?
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post Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 11:05
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Wed, 29 Nov 2017 - 23:49) *
thanks stamf.

max what was you intended destination?


White Hart Lane N17, so I needed to get on to Perth Rd (the junction between Perth Rd & White Hart Lane was also blocked) & then the Crossway to get on to Rivulet Rd, where White Hart Lane was finally accessible to traffic. Hope this helps.

As for the PCN, I don't have it on me at the moment, but there was only one sheet and the back just contains standard information regarding ways to pay/appeal.
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post Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 11:42
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but there was only one sheet and the back just contains standard information regarding ways to pay/appeal.


and the law lays down the way 'standard information' is to be conveyed to the motorist. And Councils often make 'errors in the small print' in the ways they attempt to convey that information.
Sometimes these errors may be fatal to the PCN.
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post Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 11:46
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QUOTE (John U.K. @ Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 11:42) *
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but there was only one sheet and the back just contains standard information regarding ways to pay/appeal.


and the law lays down the way 'standard information' is to be conveyed to the motorist. And Councils often make 'errors in the small print' in the ways they attempt to convey that information.
Sometimes these errors may be fatal to the PCN.


No worries - I'll get hold of it this evening & post it
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post Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 12:37
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QUOTE (max007 @ Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 11:05) *
QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Wed, 29 Nov 2017 - 23:49) *
thanks stamf.

max what was you intended destination?


White Hart Lane N17, so I needed to get on to Perth Rd (the junction between Perth Rd & White Hart Lane was also blocked) & then the Crossway to get on to Rivulet Rd, where White Hart Lane was finally accessible to traffic. Hope this helps.

As for the PCN, I don't have it on me at the moment, but there was only one sheet and the back just contains standard information regarding ways to pay/appeal.



Makes sense, I take it you are a local and know the area? this is getting stronger and stronger
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post Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 12:46
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 12:37) *
QUOTE (max007 @ Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 11:05) *
QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Wed, 29 Nov 2017 - 23:49) *
thanks stamf.

max what was you intended destination?


White Hart Lane N17, so I needed to get on to Perth Rd (the junction between Perth Rd & White Hart Lane was also blocked) & then the Crossway to get on to Rivulet Rd, where White Hart Lane was finally accessible to traffic. Hope this helps.

As for the PCN, I don't have it on me at the moment, but there was only one sheet and the back just contains standard information regarding ways to pay/appeal.



Makes sense, I take it you are a local and know the area? this is getting stronger and stronger


Yes, I'm local & the area was in chaos due to the aftermath of the fire
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post Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 12:51
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Here's a better map although I'm a bit confused - how did you end up on Dunbar? I'm assuming the no entry you went through is at Dunbar/Stirling.

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post Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 13:00
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QUOTE (stamfordman @ Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 12:51) *
Here's a better map although I'm a bit confused - how did you end up on Dunbar? I'm assuming the no entry you went through is at Dunbar/Stirling.



I came down Wolves Lane, but could not do my usual left on to White Hart Lane due to the roadblock & yes, the no entry was at Dunbar Rd/ Stirling Rd - there is also a no entry at Dunbar Rd/Perth Rd, but there is no CCTV at that location
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post Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 13:08
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You've been clear about all this and said earlier the police advised you to turn into Dunbar. But now we can see the map it makes more sense and hopefully will to an adjudicator, as will evidence that this was a massive fire.
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post Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 13:19
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so lets make sure we understand fully.

You drove down wolves lane, intending a left onto white Hart lane. Stopped by police from doing so, you told them your intended destination and they told you turn right then left (Dunbar rd)
then left again (Stirling rd) and so on to bring you back to WHL beyond the closed section
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post Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 13:20
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QUOTE (stamfordman @ Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 13:08) *
You've been clear about all this and said earlier the police advised you to turn into Dunbar. But now we can see the map it makes more sense and hopefully will to an adjudicator, as will evidence that this was a massive fire.


I was surprised & disappointed that the Council did not take this into account - in fact looking at the NOR, they didn't even mention it
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post Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 22:57
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This is the back of the PCN I received:

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post Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 23:09
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please respond to post 36
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post Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 23:33
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 13:19) *
so lets make sure we understand fully.

You drove down wolves lane, intending a left onto white Hart lane. Stopped by police from doing so, you told them your intended destination and they told you turn right then left (Dunbar rd)
then left again (Stirling rd) and so on to bring you back to WHL beyond the closed section


Yes
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