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poboskie
post Tue, 3 May 2016 - 09:54
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Hello to all,

Some advice would be greatly appreciated on this matter please.

I received a PCN from the council with code 12R on 04/03/16. I challenged the penalty by email on 15/03/16 asking for consideration as I did have a ticket but I mistakenly scratched the wrong month on the weekly visitor permit. I scratched February instead of March. I also provided the council with the 5 previous weekly visitor permits, hence they could see that I had valid permits on those dates and I was not trying to pull a fast one by using the same permit twice. I appealed to their good nature as at the time of scratching the ticket I was dealing with my autistic child who was unsettled. I received an email confirmation stating that they will respond within 10 working days. However, the council responded by mail over a month later (letter is dated 18/04/16) and denied my appeal. They gave me the option of paying the amount of £65 within 14 days of the letter after which case the penalty will revert to the full amount of £130.

Do I have a positive chance of contesting this PCN after the issue of the notice to owner? Please kindly help as a cannot afford this fine.

Thank you
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Neil B
post Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 11:14
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Poboskie.

I'm trying to write something for you.

I need you to check a detail - date and time you actually filed your OOT application ?

Form says 22/6/17 - please check your e-mail record of sending.

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btw - also; has everything always gone to TEC by e-mail?


QUOTE (Bailiff Advice @ Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 08:33) *
Thanks must go to you NB for this new procedure coming to light.

No, I think it was found by 'Bogsy' here a few weeks ago.

QUOTE (Bailiff Advice @ Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 08:33) *
The bottom line though is that it appears to be the case that by ticking box number 2, the local authority are not under an obligation to automatically refer the case to the adjudicator.

Again, it has no bearing on this case. There is no evidence the new procedures played a part in Lewisham's unlawful action: They simply believe
that box 1 was ticked and not box 2.
It's in their SoT.

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Neil B
post Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 11:27
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In fact, poboskie here has pre-empted co-operation, unknowingly but helpfully sending in a copy of their
reps on 4/11/16 in an attempt to resolve. Vaguely in line with the purpose of those new procedures.

Despite being helpful, again not directly relevant to outcome as Lewisham subsequently walked down a
different path.


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poboskie
post Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 12:45
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Yes the OOT application was sent via email on 22/06/17 at 11:59am

Yes, everything as gone to TEC via email. But I had a conversation with them over the phone to get clarification on why my WS was not accepted.
I rushed to send the OOT asTEC had advised it needed to be received before 12pm to stop the bailiffs.

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QUOTE (poboskie @ Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 13:45) *
I rushed to send the OOT


lol; I've just written that!

So, you have decided to proceed?


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poboskie
post Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 13:36
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 13:00) *
So, you have decided to proceed?


Yes I will proceed.
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QUOTE (poboskie @ Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 14:36) *
QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 13:00) *
So, you have decided to proceed?


Yes I will proceed.

pm coming.


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post Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 14:40
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 13:44) *
QUOTE (poboskie @ Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 14:36) *
QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 13:00) *
So, you have decided to proceed?


Yes I will proceed.

pm coming.

Replied to pm
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post Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 19:02
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QUOTE (poboskie @ Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 15:40) *
QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 13:44) *
QUOTE (poboskie @ Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 14:36) *
QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 13:00) *
So, you have decided to proceed?


Yes I will proceed.

pm coming.

Replied to pm

And have e-mailed a couple of times.


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post Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 22:53
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 20:02) *
QUOTE (poboskie @ Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 15:40) *
QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 13:44) *
QUOTE (poboskie @ Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 14:36) *
QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 12 Aug 2017 - 13:00) *
So, you have decided to proceed?


Yes I will proceed.

pm coming.

Replied to pm

And have e-mailed a couple of times.

Are you going to respond?
I NEED your input.


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Neil B
post Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 11:04
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I'm hearing, subject to seeing the Order -

KABOOOOOOM !! biggrin.gif


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poboskie
post Mon, 11 Sep 2017 - 09:22
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 12:04) *
I'm hearing, subject to seeing the Order -

KABOOOOOOM !! biggrin.gif


Indeed Yay, Yay, Yay. Thank you to all who have help in this matter.

I was against time to file the N244 but with the extensive help from Neil B, it was sent on time despite several setbacks from TEC.

I received the order at the weekend, in my favour, which I will shortly attach to this thread.

Again, thank you all for your help and a special thank yo to Neil B.
I really cannot thank you enough.

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post Mon, 11 Sep 2017 - 10:26
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I have attached the Order to Flickr.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/153515074@N07/

It's the first pic.

It is not posting here for some reason.
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post Mon, 11 Sep 2017 - 10:41
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IMG_20170911_104358 by A A, on Flickr



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Neil B
post Mon, 11 Sep 2017 - 11:11
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I'm frequently confused by the wording of the various Orders made by TEC.

If I recall, your final TE9 was made on the basis 'reps made, no reply'.
(although 'no pcn' also applied.)

The Council would be wise to drop this now, considering their wholly unlawful action ignoring
the first TEC Order.

I suggest we see what transpires - couple of weeks.

Maybe we'll write to confirm dead - but I have no time right now. Let's chill a while.


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Neil B
post Sat, 13 Jan 2018 - 09:44
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Bump.

Update coming from OP.


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