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stamfordman
post Wed, 10 Jul 2019 - 16:12
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This looks rather heavy handed even if it was obstruction.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-72...itting-man.html
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post Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 14:02
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It's touching how much faith people have in the police. I'll keep an open mind.
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post Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 15:03
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QUOTE (stamfordman @ Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 15:02) *
It's touching how much faith people have in the police. I'll keep an open mind.

It isn't a case of faith in the police, it is the knowledge that when a cop tells you to do something, there are repercussions that may be unpleasant if you refuse.
It doesn't matter if the cop is totally wrong, which they were not here, if chummy refuses, the situation can only be expected to escalate.

The classic can be seen on any of the cop docusoaps with drunken teens.....
Move on please
F*** Off I got a right to be here, it's public property
If you do not move on I will arrest you
B****cks I'm not moving
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It's always going to end in tears with chummy in the back of the Black Maria
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post Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 15:30
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Policing cannot work if the Police would have to justify every decision they made before they could enforce it, just think of the repercussions if they did and be careful what you wish for.

Its not a case of trusting them (although the vast majority are decent honest people trying to do the right thing, but they, like all human beings, will make the odd mistake).


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post Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 17:47
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 16:03) *
It doesn't matter if the cop is totally wrong, which they were not here, if chummy refuses, the situation can only be expected to escalate.

The power of a constable to direct traffic, under section 35 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, is not subject to any constraint other than the standard public law constraints (rationality etc...). So saying that the officer was "wrong" to give the direction to move is somewhat meaningless, a direction to move is a direction the officer is entitled to give and failure to comply is an offence, end of.


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post Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 18:31
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 16:03) *
QUOTE (stamfordman @ Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 15:02) *
It's touching how much faith people have in the police. I'll keep an open mind.

It isn't a case of faith in the police, it is the knowledge that when a cop tells you to do something, there are repercussions that may be unpleasant if you refuse.
It doesn't matter if the cop is totally wrong, which they were not here, if chummy refuses, the situation can only be expected to escalate.


No - there are many cases where the police are biased, wrong and violent, sometimes with tragic consequences. I have no idea what happened here other than someone ended up being restrained on the pavement. This would admit the possibility of a failure by the police to deal properly with someone who may perhaps be vulnerable. Without an independent inquiry you cannot assume anything.
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post Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 19:53
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QUOTE (stamfordman @ Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 19:31) *
QUOTE (DancingDad @ Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 16:03) *
QUOTE (stamfordman @ Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 15:02) *
It's touching how much faith people have in the police. I'll keep an open mind.

It isn't a case of faith in the police, it is the knowledge that when a cop tells you to do something, there are repercussions that may be unpleasant if you refuse.
It doesn't matter if the cop is totally wrong, which they were not here, if chummy refuses, the situation can only be expected to escalate.


No - there are many cases where the police are biased, wrong and violent, sometimes with tragic consequences. I have no idea what happened here other than someone ended up being restrained on the pavement. This would admit the possibility of a failure by the police to deal properly with someone who may perhaps be vulnerable. Without an independent inquiry you cannot assume anything.

I've seen the video and the copper gave several instructions to move the vehicle, and to produce a driving licence. Failure to do either is a criminal offence. So the one thing that appears certain, is that the person being restrained committed several criminal offences.


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post Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 20:26
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People park around there without worrying about where they have left their car. If you look carefully past under the black car on this GSV 2012 link https://goo.gl/maps/Xs5JmBZCLMjoCaoE9 you will see a rectangle of very slightly darker asphalt. This is a few metres from where the arrest took place recently.

I had the whole road planed off and the gulley/manhole covers reset, ready for resurfacing the next day and the road was closed off overnight ready for asphalting in the morning. Bright and early next day we find a car parked on the planed off surface, they have moved the barriers and driven in that night. Parking wouldn't lift the car because the yellow lines and bay markings were no longer there. We ended up surfacing the whole road except for that part. We had to do that the day after when the owner wandered out from wherever she had been and drove off.

Not been so annoyed since a man with his dog on a lead wandered up to some slabs a mason was actually laying and stood there vacantly whilst his dog fouled one of the new slabs. The man seemed astonished that we were even making a fuss.
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post Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 21:36
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 13:01) *
QUOTE (Mr Meldrew @ Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 10:55) *
And I’m happy that you as a taxpayer appreciate that to save money in the short term is not included in the statutory reasons why it could be necessary to summarily arrest someone.

As that wasn't the reason for the arrest, your post is totally pointless.

It would appear that way when quoted out of context.


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post Wed, 17 Jul 2019 - 06:24
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I feel sorry for the people who maintain the highway to be useable. Road workers, police or whatever. Having to deal with idiots just to get their job done. Refuse collector told me the other day they’ve just been issued with body cams as their customers insist on driving too close and inappropriately.
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post Wed, 17 Jul 2019 - 08:31
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 20:53) *
QUOTE (stamfordman @ Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 19:31) *
QUOTE (DancingDad @ Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 16:03) *
QUOTE (stamfordman @ Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 15:02) *
It's touching how much faith people have in the police. I'll keep an open mind.

It isn't a case of faith in the police, it is the knowledge that when a cop tells you to do something, there are repercussions that may be unpleasant if you refuse.
It doesn't matter if the cop is totally wrong, which they were not here, if chummy refuses, the situation can only be expected to escalate.


No - there are many cases where the police are biased, wrong and violent, sometimes with tragic consequences. I have no idea what happened here other than someone ended up being restrained on the pavement. This would admit the possibility of a failure by the police to deal properly with someone who may perhaps be vulnerable. Without an independent inquiry you cannot assume anything.

I've seen the video and the copper gave several instructions to move the vehicle, and to produce a driving licence. Failure to do either is a criminal offence.

To be fair a driver has a week to produce their driving licence so at that point no offence had been committed.


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post Wed, 17 Jul 2019 - 08:52
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QUOTE (nigelbb @ Wed, 17 Jul 2019 - 09:31) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 20:53) *
QUOTE (stamfordman @ Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 19:31) *
QUOTE (DancingDad @ Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 16:03) *
QUOTE (stamfordman @ Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 15:02) *
It's touching how much faith people have in the police. I'll keep an open mind.

It isn't a case of faith in the police, it is the knowledge that when a cop tells you to do something, there are repercussions that may be unpleasant if you refuse.
It doesn't matter if the cop is totally wrong, which they were not here, if chummy refuses, the situation can only be expected to escalate.


No - there are many cases where the police are biased, wrong and violent, sometimes with tragic consequences. I have no idea what happened here other than someone ended up being restrained on the pavement. This would admit the possibility of a failure by the police to deal properly with someone who may perhaps be vulnerable. Without an independent inquiry you cannot assume anything.

I've seen the video and the copper gave several instructions to move the vehicle, and to produce a driving licence. Failure to do either is a criminal offence.

To be fair a driver has a week to produce their driving licence so at that point no offence had been committed.

No, the offence had indeed been committed at the time.

If he had nominated a police station at the time, and then produced the licence within seven days, he would have had a statutory defence. Road Traffic Act 1988, section 164 (8(a))
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