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iwt
post Tue, 10 Jul 2018 - 18:53
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So apparently it can detect mobile phone use, and whether it's being used via Bluetooth.
And yet they didn't fit a camera to take and record photos to be used as evidence. Just lights a crossed-out-smartphone sign.
Anyone would think they had no confidence in the technology...

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/new-weap...rfolk-1-5598640
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post Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 13:54
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We are not currently connecting the system with enforcement, but we plan to work towards that.

This system is without doubt ahead of the game. The strength of vehicle-activated LED signs is that they identify the offender and only trigger when they’re necessary. The warning will be obvious and will stand out.

What a bunch of muppets.

Do they not realise for the last five years most users have always on data on their phone? And I guess the connection to my bluetooth watch will be a perfect foil for their enforcement plans.

Combined with the fact they've produced a sign which is incredibly unintuitive, tiny, and just to help it settle in the council have put above a sign pointing to a rendez-vous point... well, they must have someone capable on conning the council big time. Or a decent sized brown envelope.
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post Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 14:35
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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 14:54) *
........Do they not realise for the last five years most users have always on data on their phone? And I guess the connection to my bluetooth watch will be a perfect foil for their enforcement plans.
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The article does say that it can differentiate between types of call and whether Bluetooth is in use.
Quite how it does that is outside of my expertise but is there some difference between signals in voice, text or data that a quick driveby sensor could recognise?
And feasibly could compare outgoing signal to Bluetooth signal.
Quite how they differentiate between passenger making a phone call and driver or kids in the back on their phones is another question.


Was up in the Wirral a few weeks back and saw large blue signs with phone icon and "zero tolerance" wording.
Came round corner to find a speed camera van less then 30 yards from corner.
Which struck me as a strange place as it was where traffic would slow or stop for oncoming island anyway.
But would have been perfect for photos of drivers with phones in their hands/up to their ears.
Probably a bit of paranoia and as was neither speeding or using my phone, nothing came through post.
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post Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 21:36
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 15:35) *
The article does say that it can differentiate between types of call and whether Bluetooth is in use.
Quite how it does that is outside of my expertise but is there some difference between signals in voice, text or data that a quick driveby sensor could recognise?
And feasibly could compare outgoing signal to Bluetooth signal.
Quite how they differentiate between passenger making a phone call and driver or kids in the back on their phones is another question.

It's quite possible to pick up mobile phone signals. The challenge they'd have is that they'd either need to get your IMSI number (the way a mobile phone mast identifies your phone) to separate out different phones, which would almost certainly be too bulky and expensive (the sign would be worth nicking).

Or more likely they just have a directional receiver. Again in theory you could separate out call and data, but realistically there would be so much chatter from other mobile phones it would be like trying to pick out one blackbird from a knackered tape of lots of blackbirds.

More likely they are full of cr*p and have got something that most of the time can pick out a car with a mobile phone approaching it. Then they realised if they marketed it people would point out it is legal to talk on bluetooth. Bluetooth is much more difficult to pick up, it only reaches about 10m again without getting onto expensive tech. So they just lied about it because it's unlikely anyone would ever test them on it.

The bullsh*t is obvious when they start talking about enforcement because there is already a 100% effective, court ready piece of tech - a video camera with a zoom. In fact, I could knock up a programme in a couple of hours that reviewed video and picked out drivers on the phone. Easier and cheaper than a speed camera. Not able to tell if you are making an emergency call of course. But neither can this nonsense sign they will scam councils with.

I get angry because the NHS gets scammed by this sort of stuff all the time, tech approved by clinicians who have no idea that although it is technically possible - the £50k piece of kit downstairs does it very accurately - it isn't possible to do the same for £5k in this little box you can wheel around. But it's only £5k so they buy it anyway because it appears to work. Mostly. Other then that first time they tried to demo it.
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post Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 14:33
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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 22:36) *
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More likely they are full of cr*p and have got something that most of the time can pick out a car with a mobile phone approaching it. Then they realised if they marketed it people would point out it is legal to talk on bluetooth. Bluetooth is much more difficult to pick up, it only reaches about 10m again without getting onto expensive tech. So they just lied about it because it's unlikely anyone would ever test them on it....

Perhaps the sign will be able to tell if you have a TV licence too!
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notmeatloaf
post Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 20:27
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QUOTE (Raxiel @ Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 15:33) *
Perhaps the sign will be able to tell if you have a TV licence too!

A prime example where the technology is possible, but it's much cheaper to bullsh*t.
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- iwt   mobile-use detecting road sign   Tue, 10 Jul 2018 - 18:53
- - The Rookie   I can imagine lots of locals driving past with the...   Tue, 10 Jul 2018 - 20:50
- - Churchmouse   QUOTE (iwt @ Tue, 10 Jul 2018 - 19:5...   Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 00:03
- - cp8759   Well I hope they've got special authorisation ...   Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 13:27
- - notmeatloaf   QUOTE We are not currently connecting the system w...   Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 13:54
|- - DancingDad   QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - ...   Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 14:35
|- - notmeatloaf   QUOTE (DancingDad @ Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 1...   Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 21:36
|- - Raxiel   QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - ...   Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 14:33
|- - notmeatloaf   QUOTE (Raxiel @ Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 15...   Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 20:27
- - KH_   When I drove trucks I would have set it off every ...   Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 16:20
|- - The Rookie   QUOTE (KH_ @ Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 17:2...   Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 20:10
- - Redivi   The sign would be more effective as a deterrent if...   Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 20:03
- - The Rookie   Also down under it seems! https://www.news.com...   Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 09:59
- - Fredd   I don't see anything in that article that impl...   Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 10:46
- - The Rookie   Should have gone to specsavers? QUOTE A hi-tech ca...   Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 11:07
- - Fredd   Perhaps you're the one who should consider Spe...   Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 11:23
- - The Rookie   The camera is still used to capture the alleged of...   Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 11:44
- - Fredd   Who said anything about a man pointing a camera? Y...   Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 12:17
|- - The Rookie   QUOTE (Fredd @ Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 13...   Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 12:26
- - Fredd   Why wouldn't at least one of the people they a...   Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 13:14
- - Incandescent   This does sound a bit like a wind-up. Mobile phon...   Sun, 15 Jul 2018 - 11:31


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