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post Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 13:39
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I was involved in an accident last night - I know I'm mostly liable, but I'm wondering if the ambulance shares any liability in this scenario:

I was waiting at a 4 way traffic light controlled crossing - https://www.google.com/maps/@53.0125895,-2....3312!8i6656. I was second in line behind a tall VW transporter. When the lights changed to green, we started to move away. The driver in front decided to indicate left at the last second, almost immediately before turning. As he turned, he was confronted with an ambulance on blues but no sirens, passing the traffic waiting at the lights. He stopped part way around the corner. Meanwihle, I had seen the blue lights bouncing off the buildings and instinctively checked my mirrors for an emergency vehicle. By the time I looked back, he had stopped and I had nowhere to go.

I realise that running into the back of anybody makes an accident almost entirely my fault, but does the ambulance have any culpability here? They were on the wrong side of the road, approaching a crossroads with the intention of going through a red light, with no sirens going. If any of those facts had been different, the accident wouldn't have occurred. Is it worth looking at this angle? The ambulance stopped at the other side of the crossroads and left their details.
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post Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 13:39
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post Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 14:09
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Nope.


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post Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 14:39
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QUOTE (TheDisapprovingBrit @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 14:39) *
By the time I looked back, he had stopped and I had nowhere to go.

So you were driving in one direction, but looking elsewhere.

QUOTE (TheDisapprovingBrit @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 14:39) *
If any of those facts (above) had been different, the accident wouldn't have occurred.

Bingo.

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post Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 16:55
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QUOTE (peterguk @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 15:39) *
So you were driving in one direction, but looking elsewhere.


Are you suggesting that a driver should come to a complete stop every time he checks his mirrors?
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post Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 20:41
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No, but you leave enough extra time to look and look back and still have stopping distance.

There is only one person with liability here Iโ€™m afraid.


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post Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 22:14
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If the blue lights werenโ€™t sufficient warning, then why did the car in front stop?
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post Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 10:56
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Emergency vehicles quite often run on blue lights only - especially at night, for obvious reasons.
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post Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 14:23
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QUOTE (DastardlyDick @ Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 11:56) *
Emergency vehicles quite often run on blue lights only - especially at night, for obvious reasons.

Donโ€™t think I ever went through a junction (against the lights) without sirens though - regardless of the time.


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post Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 15:38
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 14:23) *
QUOTE (DastardlyDick @ Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 11:56) *
Emergency vehicles quite often run on blue lights only - especially at night, for obvious reasons.

Donโ€™t think I ever went through a junction (against the lights) without sirens though - regardless of the time.


Thought you were a basic A to B driver and not allowed to go though ๐Ÿšฆ ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

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post Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 16:09
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QUOTE (baggins1234 @ Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 16:38) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 14:23) *
QUOTE (DastardlyDick @ Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 11:56) *
Emergency vehicles quite often run on blue lights only - especially at night, for obvious reasons.

Donโ€™t think I ever went through a junction (against the lights) without sirens though - regardless of the time.


Thought you were a basic A to B driver and not allowed to go though ๐Ÿšฆ ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

You thought wrong.


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post Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 21:27
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OP says the ambo didn't go through, it was approaching.
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post Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 22:14
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QUOTE (666 @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 23:14) *
If the blue lights werenโ€™t sufficient warning, then why did the car in front stop?



QUOTE (captain swoop @ Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 22:27) *
OP says the ambo didn't go through, it was approaching.


It reads as the ambulance was on the wrong side of the road passing queuing cars, thus the car in fronts sudden stop.

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QUOTE (mickR @ Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 23:14) *
QUOTE (666 @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 23:14) *
If the blue lights werenโ€™t sufficient warning, then why did the car in front stop?



QUOTE (captain swoop @ Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 22:27) *
OP says the ambo didn't go through, it was approaching.


It reads as the ambulance was on the wrong side of the road passing queuing cars, thus the car in fronts sudden stop.


The OP admits he saw the blue lights, so presumably the driver in front did too. Whatever, he managed to stop, so no reason to assume that a siren would have made any difference.


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post Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 22:52
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Possibly, but in any case as stated before, the OP drove forward while looking in the mirror ohmy.gif
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