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ClEVERBOY
post Tue, 16 Apr 2019 - 09:57
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I have a resident permit to park in BX CPZ zone in Golders Green London NW11.
Forgot one morning to move my car from single yellow line into box marking before 11 am and promptly received a ticket.
Made a informal challenge to Barnet that signage on one of the entry roads was inadequate as not clearly visible. (see attachments)
Received reply from Barnet, rejecting my appeal and completely ignoring the evidence provided. (see attachment)
Can anybody advice if I have a valid case to make an official appeal?

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ClEVERBOY
post Mon, 29 Apr 2019 - 20:50
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Mon, 29 Apr 2019 - 19:10) *
ClEVERBOY the adjudicator will ask you the same question that I asked in post 18, so I suggest you just tell us.

CP8759. I don't think you read my latest post which answers your question.
I know that parking is "officially" restricted on the single yellow lines even for resident permit holders, between 11 and 12!
I posted the original question to get opinions if the PCN can be challenged on the technical point that the zone concerned is not law compliant due to one of the signs at one entry point being obscured.
So my question is straight forward:
Does the fact that one of the entry point roads to the CPZ does not have a valid signage displayed, invalidate the whole CPZ zone? Yes or No?
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stamfordman
post Mon, 29 Apr 2019 - 20:59
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QUOTE (ClEVERBOY @ Mon, 29 Apr 2019 - 21:50) *
So my question is straight forward:
Does the fact that one of the entry point roads to the CPZ does not have a valid signage displayed, invalidate the whole CPZ zone? Yes or No?



No. it's only useful if someone unaware of the zone passed the zone entry without adequate signage.

Discretion was your best bet.
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post Mon, 29 Apr 2019 - 22:27
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QUOTE (stamfordman @ Mon, 29 Apr 2019 - 21:59) *
QUOTE (ClEVERBOY @ Mon, 29 Apr 2019 - 21:50) *
So my question is straight forward:
Does the fact that one of the entry point roads to the CPZ does not have a valid signage displayed, invalidate the whole CPZ zone? Yes or No?



No. it's only useful if someone unaware of the zone passed the zone entry without adequate signage.

What he said. If the sign you actually passed on the way to the spot where you parked was complaint, then you have no defence.


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Earl Purple
post Tue, 30 Apr 2019 - 08:07
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Councils do that all the time. The residents are happy for permit parking especially as that is right near a station and it prevents commuter traffic, but the single yellow lines serve no benefit to the residents and it's usually them who end up getting done for parking in their own road.

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post Tue, 30 Apr 2019 - 10:40
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QUOTE (Earl Purple @ Tue, 30 Apr 2019 - 09:07) *
Councils do that all the time. The residents are happy for permit parking especially as that is right near a station and it prevents commuter traffic, but the single yellow lines serve no benefit to the residents and it's usually them who end up getting done for parking in their own road.

Except it's not "their" road (it was still the Queen's Highway last time I checked), and a single yellow line allows free-for-all parking outside of the restricted hours.


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ClEVERBOY
post Tue, 30 Apr 2019 - 16:28
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Can someone explain the purpose of the single yellow line within a CPZ area?

For anyone without a resident permit the time restrictions are the same on a single yellow line as parking in a parking box.

So is it meant simply as a money making scheme against those with permits who forget to move their cars in time (like me) when the restrictions comes in place (for 1 hour during the working day)!
Or have I missed something?
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post Tue, 30 Apr 2019 - 16:38
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CPZs are usually set up when councils put in residents bays so that residents have parking. What makes it a CPZ is when councils also control the single yellows, often the same as the times in bays but not always - there can be bays that are 24/7 for example and yellow lines can have their own timeplates different from the zone.

A 1 hour CPZ is usually to deter commuter parking and is easier to patrol.
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ClEVERBOY
post Tue, 30 Apr 2019 - 16:48
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Thanks Stamfordman
So in essence in my CPZ area where SYL do not have their own timeplates, they simply there to help wardens spot a potential commuter parked car? I thought, that's why they have those fancy handheld devices which we paid for?
And to rake some more money from its own forgetful residents?

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post Tue, 30 Apr 2019 - 17:07
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You might think that just putting in bays is enough and not have single yellows but in city areas the CPZ also serves to deter traffic, open up sight lines around junctions, allow delivery vehicles spaces to unload.

As I said, you may have had a good chance with your PCN if you'd made a polite grovel as a resident.
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post Tue, 30 Apr 2019 - 18:45
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QUOTE (ClEVERBOY @ Tue, 30 Apr 2019 - 17:28) *
Can someone explain the purpose of the single yellow line within a CPZ area?

Allow more unrestricted parking at quiet times (like at night), while keeping the street freer during the day, rush hour etc...


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