NIP from motorway camera Options

[Redtech]

Hi

I've received a NIP for Doing 42 past a 20mph camera on the M5
Stating that it will be a single justice procedure notice

I understand this will be 6 points or a ban ??

If it's 6 points that would take me to 12 and what happens then

I will add this was a particularly stormy night with lashing rain and the motorway was closing up ahead, the first gantry I passed was at 50mph which I duly slowed to, I was then checking my sat nav to ensure re routing was ok, and obviously with all the other flashing lights and lane closing lights flashing away and cones coming across the carriageway pushing traffic to hard shoulder, my periferral visual saw what it thought was another 50 board, it turns out though that on review of my dash cam it was indeed 20mph
However the next gantry I passed was 40mph??

Would this make sense changing from 50 to 20 to 40 at every gantry as well as closing the motorway
I will add that this was at gone midnight and there was no other traffic around so not peak times

I'm not sure how relevant any of this is, and it's not an excuse, it just seems quite confusing to be putting limits up and down at every gantry while also flashing big X's and cones across the carriageway

So what is the likely outcome of this NIP and if it is 6 points am I then going back to court to be discaulified for totting 12 points anyway ??

As with most people I'm sure, my job depends on my license and really just need to know where I stand

Thanks

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[superSmiffy]

Why would you slow cars from 50 to 20 and the back up to 40 before exiting at a slipway at 40

There could be dozens of reasons.

I believe at the time they were dealing with a truck that had gone through the central reservation and killed four people in other cars.

Well that would be a reason. Yet OP makes absolutely no reference to anything e.g. emergency and or repair vehicles etc, damage to barrier...

This is correct, this incident happened at 2.30pm the previous afternoon, and was at junction 14, the motorway was closed in both directions with traffic northbound being removed at j16 - 2 junctions prior to the incident

There was no damage or recovery vehicles present on the motorway in the 20mph zone or indeed the following 40mph zone

There wasn't but as you can see in the video from the other case on this site the motorway was being reduced from 3 lanes to 0 lanes and all traffic was being diverted off the motorway. The speed limit setting seems to be entirely reasonable.

The road was closed because of a fatal incident that occurred, as far as I am aware, on a fully open motorway. Imagine the chaos that can occur on a motorway that goes from 3 lanes to closed in 1.2km or so. Especially when drivers are applying their own conditions to the regulation of traffic.

By all means attempt the "reasonable" route but it may be thought that simply driving within the set limits is a reasonable principle to expect of 45million drivers in the UK.

[cp8759]

My question really was, is it a case that this sign was inappropriately set or missed when the limits were re addresses after the back log of traffic had been cleared some hours prior

Well please let us know what the RCC say

[Redtech]

Why would you slow cars from 50 to 20 and the back up to 40 before exiting at a slipway at 40

There could be dozens of reasons.

I believe at the time they were dealing with a truck that had gone through the central reservation and killed four people in other cars.

Well that would be a reason. Yet OP makes absolutely no reference to anything e.g. emergency and or repair vehicles etc, damage to barrier...

This is correct, this incident happened at 2.30pm the previous afternoon, and was at junction 14, the motorway was closed in both directions with traffic northbound being removed at j16 - 2 junctions prior to the incident

There was no damage or recovery vehicles present on the motorway in the 20mph zone or indeed the following 40mph zone

There wasn't but as you can see in the video from the other case on this site the motorway was being reduced from 3 lanes to 0 lanes and all traffic was being diverted off the motorway. The speed limit setting seems to be entirely reasonable.

The road was closed because of a fatal incident that occurred, as far as I am aware, on a fully open motorway. Imagine the chaos that can occur on a motorway that goes from 3 lanes to closed in 1.2km or so. Especially when drivers are applying their own conditions to the regulation of traffic.

By all means attempt the "reasonable" route but it may be thought that simply driving within the set limits is a reasonable principle to expect of 45million drivers in the UK.

I merely asked the question as to whether this board may of been missed or mis signed in comparison to the other boards which had change
It would seem that it went against there operational procedure as it was a 30mph drop, however this doesn't change the law I know
As for reasonable well that is questionable from different views

I can understand a packed full motorway needing to be slowed and guided off with the typical fast lane shooter trying to get ahead of the cue
In fact I pass the m4 at both J17 and the M32 and see the queue back up onto the motorway in the mornings bringing the near side lane to a stop from as far back as the mile marker board, yet it's deemed that morning rush hour traffic can pass this at 70mph
Or the fact that roadworks where somebody stated that they are protected merely by a line of cones this can be passed at 50mph or in fact in a contaflow
So with this as a basis is 20mph reasonable to guide a single car of a motorway at 1.15am ??? Especially when actually leaving the motorway in a single lane it's 40mph

As I said I merely asked the question ??

[Redtech]

I have now found out from someone else that the gantry that was at 40mph in the other posters video and then 50mph in my case Was later at around 2am set to 60mph

Giving a drop from 60 - 20

Is this looking more like that this camera was not being updated with speed changes and had become stuck on 20 since earlier in the day ??

[peterguk]

I have now found out from someone else that the gantry that was at 40mph in the other posters video and then 50mph in my case Was later at around 2am set to 60mph

Giving a drop from 60 - 20

Is this looking more like that this camera was not being updated with speed changes and had become stuck on 20 since earlier in the day ??

Surely the evidence of your dash cam is\what matters. Not what someone on the interweb witnessed on their journey...

[The Rookie]

No, it looks nothing like that at all.

[Mr Meldrew]

Have you considered a Freedom of Information request for the following information timed from ***** to ***** on ** September 2017 regarding all variable speed cameras between M5 J16 and J17. I would suggest that you make it reasonably wider than required to help establish the facts:

- A copy of the data logs containing all signal settings on gantries.
- A copy of the data logs containing all gantry faults relayed to the service manager.
- Respective gantry identifiers and if this differs from what the gantry in question displayed, please also include what was displayed.

Examples:

https://docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url...lt%2520logs.xls
https://docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url...ng%2520logs.xls

FOI email address: info@highwaysengland.co.uk

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