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sleepwouldbenice
post Wed, 29 Jul 2020 - 18:56
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Hello all

3 weeks ago I took a trip to a place I had not been to before. I was caught speeding on the way there and on the way back by the same camera - 41 and 36 in a 30 - within an hour. West Yorkshire

I returned the notices together asking for it to be seen as one journey. Today I received two conditional offers of fixed penalty (£100 plus 3 points each)

Is there any point continuing to argue the one journey issue

Also I really do want to alter my speed awareness. The controls on the car have now been set to audible if I go over the speed limit but it doesn't always pick up the limits. I have ordered a gadget that should do the same but with more consistency. Of course my own eyes and personal awareness are the key.... but I am am genuinely trying to keep my awareness heightened to change my behaviour so any further recommendations would be much appreciated

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post Wed, 29 Jul 2020 - 19:08
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Have you attended a speed awareness course in the past 3 years?


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post Wed, 29 Jul 2020 - 19:22
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QUOTE (sleepwouldbenice @ Wed, 29 Jul 2020 - 19:56) *
I returned the notices together asking for it to be seen as one journey. Today I received two conditional offers of fixed penalty (£100 plus 3 points each)
Is there any point continuing to argue the one journey issue

No, this would never be considered a single continuous offence.

QUOTE (sleepwouldbenice @ Wed, 29 Jul 2020 - 19:56) *
Also I really do want to alter my speed awareness.

As hinted already, one of those should qualify for a course to avoid the points (if you haven't done one within the last 3 years).

QUOTE (sleepwouldbenice @ Wed, 29 Jul 2020 - 19:56) *
The controls on the car have now been set to audible if I go over the speed limit but it doesn't always pick up the limits. I have ordered a gadget that should do the same but with more consistency. Of course my own eyes and personal awareness are the key.... but I am am genuinely trying to keep my awareness heightened to change my behaviour so any further recommendations would be much appreciated

Is the issue knowing what the limit is or the speed you are doing?

I'm guessing they were on a restricted road where there are no speed limit signs?


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sleepwouldbenice
post Wed, 29 Jul 2020 - 21:08
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Hi thanks for replies so far. Went on a course about 2 years ago which I am guessing they know anyway as not offered

I am being honest about the speeding awareness. I don't consciously speed at all. I am very cautious about all other aspects - traffic lights, roundabouts, lane control etc. I don't play music much or do calls etc But I know that I am not aware as I should be (mind drifts, thinks about other things) and I am trying to bring my focus back to this point and make speed awareness habitual again - through alarms, and attention grabbing ideas until it sticks

Hope that makes sense

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sleepwouldbenice
post Wed, 29 Jul 2020 - 21:41
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I have just read about Waze from another post - is this reliable? I stress again its about refocussing my awareness and training myself about how slow speeds really are if you follow me> When I tried the car's speed tracker it didn't seem to pick up the speed limit the majority of the time

Hope this makes sense!
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post Wed, 29 Jul 2020 - 22:29
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QUOTE (sleepwouldbenice @ Wed, 29 Jul 2020 - 22:41) *
I have just read about Waze from another post - is this reliable? I stress again its about refocussing my awareness and training myself about how slow speeds really are if you follow me> When I tried the car's speed tracker it didn't seem to pick up the speed limit the majority of the time Hope this makes sense!


Garmin is very good, my ex who was on the brink of 12 points was saved by it, but no system is infallible. Can't help with Waze.



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sleepwouldbenice
post Thu, 30 Jul 2020 - 06:44
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Hi
Thanks for this does garmun work as an app., I am clueless re such things
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post Thu, 30 Jul 2020 - 07:58
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Waze is an app, Garmin a stand alone device. Any device will not be accurate all the time, you cannot rely on them solely. My own car gets one limit wrong all the time (parallel roads with different limits) and the courtesy car I'm in right now is very often wrong (but it's a Peugeot so.....).

The biggest error we see is people assuming that restricted roads (those with a system of street lighting every 183m or less apart) is something other than a 30 because 'it doesn't look like it should be', urban dual carriageways for example. Simply put street lights and it's a 30 UNLESS there is signage indicating a different limit.

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post Thu, 30 Jul 2020 - 10:15
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I use Waze and it works quite well, but a) doesn't always give you an audible alert of a camera (very odd and something I meant to contact them about) and b) relies on other users inputting the data correctly (hence I recently got snapped by a static camera when I was told I was in an average speed zone).
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post Thu, 30 Jul 2020 - 10:29
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QUOTE (Irksome @ Thu, 30 Jul 2020 - 11:15) *
b) relies on other users inputting the data correctly (hence I recently got snapped by a static camera when I was told I was in an average speed zone).
a) doesn't always give you an audible alert of a camera (very odd and something I meant to contact them about)

b is your cause and a is your effect. Waze is an enabler, otherwise it does nothing.

Dare I say, if you obey the speed limits the locations of cameras is irrelevant.


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post Thu, 30 Jul 2020 - 11:38
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It never seems to amaze me the number of people who can't seem to relate their actual speed to their perceived perception of speed.

My partner seems to suffer from this, often not seeing speed limit signs, especiall termintion signs and dawdles along on a fast NSL road! The opposite of exceeding the limit. but I digress.
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post Thu, 30 Jul 2020 - 12:52
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 30 Jul 2020 - 08:58) *
Waze is an app, Garmin a stand alone device. Any device will not be accurate all the time, you cannot rely on them solely. My own car gets one limit wrong all the time (parallel roads with different limits) and the courtesy car I'm in right now is very often wrong (but it's a Peugeot so.....).

It's also worth noting that Garmin (in common with most car manufacturers offering integrated satnavs) uses Here Technologies (long ago known as Navteq) to provide it's mapping. Here is mainly owned by a consortium of the big German manufacturers, and also makes available a free app, with speed limits and offline capability - so for myself I reckon I might as well cut out the middleman and go with the same provider that's in most cars anyway.


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sleepwouldbenice
post Fri, 31 Jul 2020 - 17:04
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Thanks all much appreciated
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post Sat, 1 Aug 2020 - 12:45
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QUOTE (Irksome @ Thu, 30 Jul 2020 - 11:15) *
I use Waze and it works quite well, but a) doesn't always give you an audible alert of a camera (very odd and something I meant to contact them about) and b) relies on other users inputting the data correctly (hence I recently got snapped by a static camera when I was told I was in an average speed zone).

Answer To A is you only get a audible alert if you are going over the speed limit. Red/speed cameras alert all the time.
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