Police state they sent NIP to old address then sent it to New, NIP Sent to Old Address |
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Police state they sent NIP to old address then sent it to New, NIP Sent to Old Address |
  Fri, 16 Nov 2018 - 00:16
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Hi all
I have searched through this forum to see if anyone else had this same issue but I am unable to find anything similar to this. I received an NIP after the 14 days notice period which I challenged back stating it was outside time (25 days later). The police have now written back to me that the Initial NIP was sent on the 4th day after offence but it was to the old address. I sent change of address of my log book to DVLA late September. AS I have not received the initial NIP, do i have a case? Secondly the camera that took the speeding, was on a single country lane which apparently is set at 60mh according to the letter. Prior to that about 1km or less is a dual carriageway which has the national speeding zone of 70mph. When the road converges to one, there are no signs to show what the speed is. on the single lane This it seems is purely a revenue generating camera. Can i argue this that there are no speed signs? Thanks Shanni |
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Fri, 16 Nov 2018 - 00:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 2,784 Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Member No.: 18,956 |
QUOTE (shanni10 @ Fri, 16 Nov 2018 - 00:16)  Hi all I have searched through this forum to see if anyone else had this same issue but I am unable to find anything similar to this. I received an NIP after the 14 days notice period which I challenged back stating it was outside time (25 days later). The police have now written back to me that the Initial NIP was sent on the 4th day after offence but it was to the old address. I sent change of address of my log book to DVLA late September. AS I have not received the initial NIP, do i have a case? Secondly the camera that took the speeding, was on a single country lane which apparently is set at 60mh according to the letter. Prior to that about 1km or less is a dual carriageway which has the national speeding zone of 70mph. When the road converges to one, there are no signs to show what the speed is. on the single lane This it seems is purely a revenue generating camera. Can i argue this that there are no speed signs? Thanks Shanni What do you think the speed limit is on a single carriageway road? What signs are usually at the end of a dual carriageway? |
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Fri, 16 Nov 2018 - 00:30
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Member Group: Members Posts: 32 Joined: 9 Jul 2013 Member No.: 63,417 |
Good point. 60mph but it was midnight. Not really an excuse.
None on this one. Fair point on this but on issue of NIP, where do I stand on that? |
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Fri, 16 Nov 2018 - 00:45
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,126 Joined: 31 Jan 2018 Member No.: 96,238 |
Check the Docref date on your new V5
Was the first NIP sent before this date, to arrive within 14 days ? If so, it was served correctly |
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Fri, 16 Nov 2018 - 05:35
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 Member Group: Members Posts: 56,261 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
“National speeding zone” and National Speed limit sound like polar opposites!
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Fri, 16 Nov 2018 - 07:53
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 Member Group: Members Posts: 41,581 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
The documentation ref date is at the bottom of page 2 of your v5c.
The date (in DD MM YY format) is when the DVLA updated your details - if the police requested details before this date then your previous address would be returned and then they will appear to have complied with the ‘14 day rule’. -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Fri, 16 Nov 2018 - 08:46
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,007 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
QUOTE (captain swoop @ Fri, 16 Nov 2018 - 00:23) What do you think the speed limit is on a single carriageway road? What signs are usually at the end of a dual carriageway? Well there's also the fact that nsl repeater signs are unlawful on unlit roads. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Fri, 16 Nov 2018 - 12:30
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,778 Joined: 29 Oct 2008 Member No.: 23,623 |
QUOTE (shanni10 @ Fri, 16 Nov 2018 - 00:16) When the road converges to one, there are no signs to show what the speed is. on the single lane This it seems is purely a revenue generating camera. Can i argue this that there are no speed signs? Think it through like this. The limit is not 70mph on the dual carriageway, it is the "National Speed Limit" (NSL). In England and Wales this is 70mph for cars, motorcycles, car-derived vans and small motor homes. It is 60mph for everything else. On single carriageway roads these limits are reduced by 10mph. The sign to indicate the beginning of a stretch where the NSL applies is a white disc with a black diagonal line. Once you enter an NSL stretch you are expected to comply with the appropriate limit depending whether the road is a single or dual carriageway and your vehicle type. There is no requirement to provide signage when a road changes from single to dual carriageway (or vice versa) and in any case, because of the different limits applicable to different vehicle types, a single "60" as you suggest would not be appropriate. |
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