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Slumberished
post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 18:18
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Hello from newbie, hope someone can help.

Whilst dropping my daughter off for her lesson, I parked on a parking bay adjacent to the main road near an industrial estate. This parking bay has been regularly used by parents dropping off their children and I have been doing this for more than a year. There are no signs indicating parking restriction of any kind.

Today on returning to the car I found a parking sign suddenly appeared in front of my car on a pole (wasn’t there 5 min before when I parked). Puzzled, I started looking around and noticed a guy planting signs (mostly placed in the hedge) and then taking pictures of cars parked. I confronted him but he just ignored me and continued to take pictures. The sign says £100 penalty for parking on private land.

Few of us exchanged details to be witnesses to this abhorent behaviour by that guy, just in case they issue a penalty notice. Is this legally enforceable? Thanks for your help.
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post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 19:05
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Which parking company?

Is the word 'penalty' actually used?

Where is this site?
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post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 19:08
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Not much is surprising in the world of private parking. Did you (or anyone else) get photos of the signs being planted? You could leave it a few days then ask the DVLA if anyone has requested keeper details from your registration number. It will make a difference if the parking company are members of a trade body and there are only two - the British Parking Association (BPA) and the International Parking Community (IPC). If not it will be harder for them to get keeper details to pursue but not impossible.
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post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 19:22
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QUOTE (Slumberished @ Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 19:18) *
Is this legally enforceable?

No. But this may not stop them trying. There can be no possible contract.

If they are a member of an approved trade association (BPA/IPC) then in my opinion they should lose that status and stop being able to access the DVLA.


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 19:56
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Thanks for your replies. Happened in Langley (Slough). The company name on the sign is Select Security Ltd T/A Select Parking, company number 10706428. Doesn't say penalty but parking charge.

The picture below shows the sign planted in the hedge facing the car. Unfortunately I couldn't record him planting the signs but there are enough witnesses to vouch this.



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post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 20:03
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Hmmm. You'll have to wait and see if they access the DVLA.

They have to do this quickly if they are seeking keeper liability. (Deliver within 14 days)

They haven't issued a court claim to date.

If anything arrives, come back. I have a hunch they'll try it on.

Any contract is formed at the time of parking. They cannot put out a bunch of signs and claim there was a contract... I’m wondering if this is a tactic and would definitely be predatory.


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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I’m wondering if this is a tactic and would definitely be predatory.
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The signs look designed to be mobile!
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post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 20:19
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Thank you. It certainly seem to be a mobile sign and I have a video to show the sign was just inserted into the hedge. Of course I saw him inserting a sign in the hedge further along.

Will wait to see if they seek details from DVLA. Just plain crooks!
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post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 21:14
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QUOTE (Jlc @ Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 21:03) *
...... and would definitely be predatory.


If they actually claim the signs were there prior to parking and were the basis for a contract, then it isn't just predatory; it is a Criminal Deception.
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post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 21:51
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You may want to edit your post and remove anything that may ID the driver.
Just refer to "the driver" did this or that.
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post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 23:45
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Private Parking companies are the scum of the Earth. I have a story to tell once POPLA respond to my appeal.
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post Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 05:43
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You'll have to wait and see if they access the DVLA.


They can. They are a new IPC company and they may be in breach of the IPC with predatory practices. Likely they will say they communicated the restrictions would apply some days before, so check with others.

https://theipc.info/aos-members/s

Mind you that sign fails the "clarity" test - not that it will stop them.

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Where there is a claim - there is a counterclaim.
Are Parking companies misusing your personal data or interfering with your lease? Counterclaims are only £25. Makes them sit up and take notice. For leaseholds, join in the Managing agents too. Since the purpose of these claims is to frighten you, give them something to be frightened of.
Subject Access Requests to the DVLA?Find out who accessed your data and when. Try SubjectAccess.Requests@dvla.gsi.gov.uk. [Apologies if it does not work]
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post Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 07:53
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QUOTE (emanresu @ Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 06:43) *
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You'll have to wait and see if they access the DVLA.

They can.

Indeed. It's more whether they actually do now there's an element of being 'rumbled'.

Personally, I think notices will arrive - on the basis some will pay anyway... If business doesn't come to you then the business has to go to the 'customers'.

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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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post Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 07:56
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Note the BPA logo as well

Select Security was incorporated last year by Sanjeev Kumar who appears to be sole owner and director

Select Academy and Select Recruitment were incorporated at same time

Company was renamed last month to Select Parking Ltd

Looks more like an opportunist than a specialist

Raises the interesting situation that the company named on the signs doesn't exist

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post Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 08:12
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Some interesting gems from their website too:

We rarely place tickets onto the windscreen of car.

If we reject your appeal we will send you the details of Parking on Private Land Appeals (POPLA) – the Independent Appeals Service.


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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post Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 08:14
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You can be a member of the BPA but not in the AOS and be a member of the IPC, do keep up at the back.


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post Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 08:29
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A number of IPC members are in the BPA

What's very unusual is to see the round AOS logo and the POPLA appeal service

The BPA doesn't list them and takes a dim view of the misuse of its logo

This company should be investigated without delay rather than waiting a month for a Notice to Keeper to appear
If the OP's up for it, I would appeal the windscreen ticket with the usual cautions not to identify the driver

If they accept the appeal because the signs weren't in place, we continue to watch the company
If they reject the appeal and change the appeal service provider to the IAS, it will confirm that the company is rotten

Trading Standards can be informed without further delay

The OP's exchanged details with some others so there are plenty of cases available to complain to the DVLA when the keeper database is accessed without reasonable cause
Suitably organised, some of the cases could be complained first to the IPC that will not look good if it fails to take any action

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post Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 08:49
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Just had a mooch at the address as well. - PO box

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5476712,-...3312!8i6656

One of his other businesses was registered there in Dec, but then transferred to what i assume is his directors address.

SELECT RECRUITMENT LIMITED

Company number 10113509

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Company Overview for SELECT RECRUITMENT LIMITED (10113509)
Filing history for SELECT RECRUITMENT LIMITED (10113509)
People for SELECT RECRUITMENT LIMITED (10113509)
Registered office address
44 Lancaster Road, Southall, England, UB1 1NW

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post Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 09:07
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 09:29) *
This company should be investigated without delay rather than waiting a month for a Notice to Keeper to appear
If the OP's up for it, I would appeal the windscreen ticket with the usual cautions not to identify the driver

I agree but I don't believe any NtD's were issued... This is going to be done by camera only and if the drivers hadn't of returned they would have received notices in the post without even being aware.

But I agree a pre-emptive strike with as many parties as possible is worthwhile, even the IPC.


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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post Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 09:31
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QUOTE (flexeh @ Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 09:49) *
Just had a mooch at the address as well. - PO box

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5476712,-...3312!8i6656

One of his other businesses was registered there in Dec, but then transferred to what i assume is his directors address.

SELECT RECRUITMENT LIMITED

Company number 10113509

Follow this company File for this company
Company Overview for SELECT RECRUITMENT LIMITED (10113509)
Filing history for SELECT RECRUITMENT LIMITED (10113509)
People for SELECT RECRUITMENT LIMITED (10113509)
Registered office address
44 Lancaster Road, Southall, England, UB1 1NW

Companies House shows the registered address of Select Parking Ltd as 29 Belmont Road, Uxbridge but this is another maildrop

As an observation, Sandeep Kumar who is five months older was an officer of the interesting Select Parking Ltd in nearby Slough in 2012
The company was incorporated in September, applied for voluntary dissolution in November and dissolved the following March
His other company, Mango Parking Ltd had an identical history
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