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snowman816
post Tue, 6 Apr 2021 - 16:07
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Hi All

I have today picked up some letters from previous address use to reside at where vehicle in question was registered to.

There are some final recovery letters for unpaid parking charges from November 2017, I was not the driver of the vehicle at that time although registered keeper. Furthermore I recall the vehicle was parked overnight outside a car garage whilst undergoing works where the ticket has been given.

Is it worth making contact with DCBL to provide them with these details or would it be worthless to do so now? The letters are dated January 2021
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post Tue, 6 Apr 2021 - 16:14
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So post up a redacted copy of the PCN that was received, but leave dates.

So if you have not received a court claim yet then give them the name and address of the garage. They will claim it is too late but you can name the driver anytime upto the start of a claim. To cover yourself send the information to the parking company as well. First class mail with a free certificate of posting from a post office

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post Wed, 7 Apr 2021 - 07:11
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QUOTE (ostell @ Tue, 6 Apr 2021 - 17:14) *
So post up a redacted copy of the PCN that was received, but leave dates.

So if you have not received a court claim yet then give them the name and address of the garage. They will claim it is too late but you can name the driver anytime upto the start of a claim. To cover yourself send the information to the parking company as well. First class mail with a free certificate of posting from a post office


Thank you for the reply

Attached is what I have received initially prior to final notice of debt recovery.

Do you mean ring them and let them know then send the same information to Vehicle Control Services via post?

https://ibb.co/dfRvxxQ
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post Wed, 7 Apr 2021 - 07:46
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NEVER ring. Write or e-mail and keep all correspondence.
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post Wed, 7 Apr 2021 - 07:54
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QUOTE (snowman816 @ Wed, 7 Apr 2021 - 08:11) *
QUOTE (ostell @ Tue, 6 Apr 2021 - 17:14) *
So post up a redacted copy of the PCN that was received, but leave dates.

Attached is what I have received initially prior to final notice of debt recovery.

https://ibb.co/dfRvxxQ


That isn't the Parking Charge Notice which would have been sent by VCS Ltd, do you have that? If not you need to send VCS a Subject Access Request from VCS for a copy of that (and all the other data they have) at the same time as including the change of 'address for service' to your new address.


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No doubt they have added the usual £60 for debt recovery which would be challenged.
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post Wed, 7 Apr 2021 - 20:35
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 7 Apr 2021 - 08:54) *
QUOTE (snowman816 @ Wed, 7 Apr 2021 - 08:11) *
QUOTE (ostell @ Tue, 6 Apr 2021 - 17:14) *
So post up a redacted copy of the PCN that was received, but leave dates.

Attached is what I have received initially prior to final notice of debt recovery.

https://ibb.co/dfRvxxQ


That isn't the Parking Charge Notice which would have been sent by VCS Ltd, do you have that? If not you need to send VCS a Subject Access Request from VCS for a copy of that (and all the other data they have) at the same time as including the change of 'address for service' to your new address.



No i don't, only what was attached. I will send VCS a SAR and include change of address for service too

Thank you
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post Tue, 27 Apr 2021 - 11:20
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Please see attached received from VCS

1. VCS Cover Letter


https://ibb.co/BB4r50H



2. PCN

https://ibb.co/q5XND5z


3. SAR

https://ibb.co/yktx8cx

4. Notice

https://ibb.co/r7dp50K

I also have images they have sent along with additional PCNs

Welcome thoughts on best way to respond / approach this

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post Tue, 27 Apr 2021 - 11:59
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That "PCN" is a reminder and not the original. Was there an earlier one? What was the date of the alleged breach? Found it: 4/11/2017

So if there was no windscreen ticket the they are late issuing the NTK. Difficult to tell

There is no indication on their paperwork that a NTK was issued on 10/11/2017, thecdate the response was received from the DVLA

What was the entry for on the 26/11 ?

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post Wed, 28 Apr 2021 - 10:35
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QUOTE (ostell @ Tue, 27 Apr 2021 - 12:59) *
That "PCN" is a reminder and not the original. Was there an earlier one? What was the date of the alleged breach? Found it: 4/11/2017

So if there was no windscreen ticket the they are late issuing the NTK. Difficult to tell

There is no indication on their paperwork that a NTK was issued on 10/11/2017, thecdate the response was received from the DVLA

What was the entry for on the 26/11 ?



Hi

See the original PCN received

https://ibb.co/VxZmsmc
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post Wed, 28 Apr 2021 - 10:58
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They state the lability period incorrectly.
It starts 28 days the day after the notice is given. They e stated 28 days from issue date. Cannot hold a keeper liable
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post Wed, 28 Apr 2021 - 13:03
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QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Wed, 28 Apr 2021 - 11:58) *
They state the lability period incorrectly.
It starts 28 days the day after the notice is given. They e stated 28 days from issue date. Cannot hold a keeper liable



Thank you for your reply, i am outside the appeal timeframe but should I be writing to them mentioning the above as well as the fact the vehicle was parked by the mechanic from the garage opposite who had the vehicle for several days /?
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post Wed, 28 Apr 2021 - 13:17
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QUOTE (ostell @ Tue, 6 Apr 2021 - 17:14) *
So if you have not received a court claim yet then give them the name and address of the garage. They will claim it is too late but you can name the driver anytime upto the start of a claim. To cover yourself send the information to the parking company as well. First class mail with a free certificate of posting from a post office

Did you do this as advised by Ostell in post #2?


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post Wed, 28 Apr 2021 - 13:19
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If the mechanic had the vehicle for several days you were not the actual keeper, arguably. Pofa holds the KEEPER liable

Why not name the garage and let them deal with it? You have nothing to do with this
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post Thu, 29 Apr 2021 - 19:12
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QUOTE (DWMB2 @ Wed, 28 Apr 2021 - 14:17) *
QUOTE (ostell @ Tue, 6 Apr 2021 - 17:14) *
So if you have not received a court claim yet then give them the name and address of the garage. They will claim it is too late but you can name the driver anytime upto the start of a claim. To cover yourself send the information to the parking company as well. First class mail with a free certificate of posting from a post office

Did you do this as advised by Ostell in post #2?



Yes i did

QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Wed, 28 Apr 2021 - 14:19) *
If the mechanic had the vehicle for several days you were not the actual keeper, arguably. Pofa holds the KEEPER liable

Why not name the garage and let them deal with it? You have nothing to do with this



Yes happy to do this and will send them the details of the mechanic
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post Thu, 29 Apr 2021 - 19:17
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You must do so very soon as when they issue a claim then naming the driver to transfer liability is no longer possible

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post Thu, 29 Apr 2021 - 21:06
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Ostell - true but not relevant here
They're naming the garage as the KEEPERS of the vehicle. There is no limitation on this, and it is an absolute defence under pofa
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post Thu, 29 Apr 2021 - 22:01
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He was talking about identifying the MECHANIC.
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post Fri, 30 Apr 2021 - 08:29
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QUOTE (ostell @ Thu, 29 Apr 2021 - 22:01) *
He was talking about identifying the MECHANIC.

...who was the keeper. And possibly the driver.
As it was a number of days it's easy to show the mechanic was the keeper at the time
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post Sat, 15 May 2021 - 14:50
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Hi all,

I have tried to make contact via the online mpc form but it doesn't let me take further action

What would be the best form of contact address to use to go back to them on as I take it better to have it in writing rather than ring them up?

Thanks
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