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Multiple PCNs for parking in flat car park
HenryHippo
post Sun, 2 Jul 2017 - 19:58
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At the end of 2016 the block of flats I live in introduced parking permits and PCNs.

I didn't actually get a permit through the post, but most people did in the block. Consequently the car I own which was parked in the car park had 7 PCNs within a 4 week period and the total invoice is £1,160

I ignored the letters that came in the post, but now they have sent me the attached letters for a not insubstantial amount

Does the fact that I didn't get a permit through the post before they enforced the tickets count as a defence? Eventually they sent me one by recorded delivery at which point I had had several tickets.

Quite miffed to be PCNd in my own home.








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HenryHippo
post Sun, 3 Dec 2017 - 17:23
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QUOTE (hexaflexagon @ Sun, 3 Dec 2017 - 17:58) *
It's worth asking the court why. Is it because the Court requires this or because the other side has requested a deferment.

If the latter then I'd be inclined to ask the Court what the reason is and say that it's not convenient for you since you've planned your business around the original date and ask the Court to either re-instate the original date or bring it forward as much as possible.


Here's the actual letter they sent:

Small Claims Trial listed to take place on 8/12/17 has been adjourned until 16/3/18 and has been relisted as a Fixture

Also it mentions that 2 hours has been allowed for the trial. There wasn't a duration for the case before and it wasn't a "fixture" either

It is also at a "Hearing Center" at the law courts

I will call the court this week to ask what is going on, but any ideas?

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HenryHippo
post Thu, 7 Dec 2017 - 11:59
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Called the court.

Original date was a provisional date that can be bumped if something more urgent comes up in court.

A "fixture" should in theory never be bumped and will go ahead

The 14 day to respond deadline has now been moved in line with the new court date. Makes no odds to this case as both parties responded in time, but it is annoying for my other case as the other party were late to respond and now won't be punished for it


The court confirmed that there were no other changes to the case than the date move
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HenryHippo
post Tue, 20 Feb 2018 - 14:16
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4 weeks to go now until it kicks off again

Do I need to do anything apart from reread my defense and turn up to court? (i.e. I don't need to resubmit my documents)

Are the other party able to add anything else to their case, or did the "submit documents within 14 days" apply to the original Dec 17 date and not the new date?

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post Tue, 20 Feb 2018 - 14:20
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It applied to the original date, as that is what the Order specified

THey can try to add stuff now, but you can always object if reasonable.
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HenryHippo
post Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 21:57
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Great. Will of course object to anything new on the day

I also own another car which has also attracted its fair share of tickets a few months after the car in this thread. Tickets and threats followed on the 2nd car too, but no legal action has been instigated. Shows that UKPC aren't confident about this case, or they would have gone after both cars simultaneously
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post Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 22:26
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That assumes intelligence on their part. I’d always go with incompetence myself
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HenryHippo
post Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 19:35
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UKPC are getting really cheeky now

This morning 10+ cars received PCNs (inc mine). All but one of them had a permit. The PCNs all claimed parking without a valid permit. Everyone had a permit properly displayed

Very odd tactics, are they just mass ticketing cars with permits in the hope that a small % pay, as clearly this would have an even worse chance in court than my case
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QUOTE (HenryHippo @ Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 19:35) *
UKPC are getting really cheeky now

This morning 10+ cars received PCNs (inc mine). All but one of them had a permit. The PCNs all claimed parking without a valid permit. Everyone had a permit properly displayed

Very odd tactics, are they just mass ticketing cars with permits in the hope that a small % pay, as clearly this would have an even worse chance in court than my case



be a kind soul and print out some flyers and put them on people vehicles explaining scam.

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post Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 21:16
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UKPC has a lot of form for faking photographs and ticketing cars on land they don't manage
This could be yet another rogue operative

It's also possible that the Management Agent has kicked out UKPC and it's having a last feeding frenzy
It's certainly time to demand that they are kicked out

In my view, this is a case where it's better not to appeal on Day 26
Instead let UKPC set themselves up for nine complaints to DVLA for requesting keeper details without reasonable cause

Everybody can also appeal and refer to the mass ticketing
UKPC has to either admit the operative's action or refuse the appeals

If the appeals are refused, everybody makes a second appeal to POPLA and provides witness statements for each others

Whatever the result of the first appeal, everybody complains to the BPA
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post Mon, 26 Feb 2018 - 09:42
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UKPC also have a track record of incentivising staff based in number of tickets issued (something which is not encouraged within the industry, but UKPC don't care). Maybe your local rep has had a poor month on the fixed odds betting machine down at Ladbrokes.


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post Mon, 26 Feb 2018 - 22:06
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It's a great idea, but speaking to people here and they are scared of UKPC.

I told them "not showing a permit is irrelevant, the lease mentions nothing about permits"

then they say "but my permit was real, I don't want this to go to court, i will appeal to UKPC about the permit being displayed and real"

So they are clinging to the defence of the permit being on display, and either not hearing or not believing me when I mention the permit doesn't actually have to be displayed. Perhaps when their appeals are declined at UKPC they will look deeper into the picture

No helping some people!
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post Mon, 26 Feb 2018 - 23:22
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You have done as much as you can.
Take some solace from the fact that you simply cannot educate pork.
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post Mon, 26 Feb 2018 - 23:45
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Another guy who got a ticket when he had a permit on display, told me confidently that he will win his appeal with UKPC, because once he was ticketed by a council and got that appealed for insufficient signage

Definitely not the same..
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post Tue, 27 Feb 2018 - 01:31
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There are times that I quite support the saying that it's immoral to let a sucker keep his money

Your neighbours' attitude is very common

A few years ago I was talking to a ParkingEye representative at a trade show and expressed surprised that so many parking notices were paid when people only had to Google his company

He looked at me like I was an idiot and told me that in fact very few people do

He said that 80-85% paid up as soon as the notice arrived and most of the remainder followed after one reminder
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QUOTE (HenryHippo @ Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 20:35) *
This morning 10+ cars received PCNs (inc mine). All but one of them had a permit. The PCNs all claimed parking without a valid permit. Everyone had a permit properly displayed

This is another PPC (and UKPC have form for it) trick, they change the permits but know full well that the new permits take time to cascade down to the individuals concerned and then starting ticketing those with the old permit........


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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 27 Feb 2018 - 04:20) *
QUOTE (HenryHippo @ Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 20:35) *
This morning 10+ cars received PCNs (inc mine). All but one of them had a permit. The PCNs all claimed parking without a valid permit. Everyone had a permit properly displayed

This is another PPC (and UKPC have form for it) trick, they change the permits but know full well that the new permits take time to cascade down to the individuals concerned and then starting ticketing those with the old permit........

Good point
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HenryHippo
post Sun, 11 Mar 2018 - 18:56
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Friday 16th is the day

Do I need to submit the below cost schedule on Monday, or can I bring it with me to the trial?

QUOTE (HenryHippo @ Wed, 29 Nov 2017 - 11:16) *
QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Tue, 28 Nov 2017 - 09:16) *
If they are unreasonable then you can claim LIP rate of £19 ph for time defending AND your time in counterclaiming, itemised separately.


Please see below my costs. Broken down into main and then counterclaim. Any feedback?

Defendant’s Cost Schedule:

Costs of attending Court

1. Lost earnings for a half day of work. I earn £200 a day, therefore I will claim the maximum of £95.00
2. Mileage to court. 40 miles at £0.45 per mile. £18.00
3. Parking for 3 hours. £11.00

SUBTOTAL: £124.00

Time Spent Reading:

4. Statement of Claim Form: 30 minutes. 0.5 hours
5. Emailing FirstPort three times: 10 minutes x 3. 0.5 hours
6. Official Copy of Register: 15 minutes. 0.25 hours
7. Lease: 1 hour
8. Chartered Trust V Davies: 30 minutes. 0.5 hours
9. Popla 2015: 30 minutes. 0.5 hours
10. Letter to SCS Jul 2017: 30 minutes. 0.5 hours

Time Spent Drafting:

11. Acknowledgement of Service Form: 30 minutes. 0.5 hours
12. Statement of Defence: 4 hours
13. Directions Questionnaire: 30 minutes. 0.5 hours
14. Witness Statement: 4 hours
15. Administration (printing, scanning, assembling documents and time to post): 2 hours

TOTAL TIME: 16.75 hours at £19.00 per hour = £318.25

Disbursements

16. Printing of documents: 100 pages at £0.10 per page = £10.00
17. Postage of Witness Statement to Court = £2.50
18. Postage of Witness Statement to SCS = £2.50

Subtotal: £15.00

GRAND TOTAL: £457.25

Signed
Henry Hippo

Defendants Counter Claim Cost Schedule


Time Spent Reading

1. Telegraph Article: 15 minutes. 0.25 hours
2. Consumer Rights Act 2015: 30 minutes. 0.5 hours
3. Data Protection Act 1998: 1 hour
4. Parking Eye V Beavis: 1 hour
5. IPC Code of Practice: 1 hour
6. Ferguson V British Gas: 1 hour
7. Vidall-Hall V Google: 1 hour
8. Halliday V Creation: 1 hour

Time Spent Drafting

9. Counter Claim: 3 hours
10. Administration (printing, scanning, assembling documents and time to post): 2 hours

TOTAL TIME: 11.75 hours at £19.00 per hour = £223.25

Disbursements

1. Printing of documents: 100 pages at £0.10 per page = £10.00
2. Counter Claim Fee = £35.00

Subtotal: £45.00

GRAND TOTAL: £268.25

Signed
Henry Hippo

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post Sun, 11 Mar 2018 - 20:20
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You must get a copy emailed to Gladstones and a copy to the court, ideally not less than 48 hours before the hearing. Print off proof of sending.
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post Sun, 11 Mar 2018 - 22:24
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QUOTE (SchoolRunMum @ Sun, 11 Mar 2018 - 20:20) *
You must get a copy emailed to Gladstones and a copy to the court, ideally not less than 48 hours before the hearing. Print off proof of sending.


SCS, not gladstones for this one but will do.

Email to SCS and email to court?
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post Mon, 12 Mar 2018 - 00:05
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Personally I would hand deliver things to court as a hard copy.
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