FPN - Using another license? |
FPN - Using another license? |
Sun, 8 Jul 2018 - 04:29
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 3 Joined: 4 Jun 2018 Member No.: 98,251 |
May close. Thanks!
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Sun, 8 Jul 2018 - 06:33
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,195 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
FPN’s can only be issued when the driving licence is surrendered (for speeding and other endorseable offences), what happens in the vast majority of cases is a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty is given by post, this is often wrongly called a Fixed Penalty Notice but isn’t. The police can’t ‘send out an FPN’ as you call it for the reasons given above’
The majority of cases where the ‘wrong person’ accepts liability is where a COFP has been issued by post such as from a speed camera. Read up on the Chris Huhne and Vicky Price case as you’ll get plenty of details on how that mechanism can work (and then fail 7 years later if you dump the wife who took points for you and shack up with your assistant). https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/m...-pryce-sentence To further confuse the issue in a roadside stop the Police can issue a notice (let’s call it a provisional FPN as it has no catchy name) requiring a licence to be shown at a Police station, when you do so you can surrender your licence and the provisional FPN then morphs into a full blown FPN despite being the exact same piece of paper, in that circumstance if the driver had claimed to be someone else and someone turned up with the someone else’s licence then the wrong person could be accepting liability. As this doesn’t involve a live case I suspect it will now move to the Flame Pit which is for such discussions. Not all passing the buck cases, but some more fun and games in this thread. http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=120923 This post has been edited by The Rookie: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 - 06:34 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Sun, 8 Jul 2018 - 06:53
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Member Group: Life Member Posts: 24,213 Joined: 9 Sep 2004 From: Reading Member No.: 1,624 |
We are researching cases where apparently visually impaired people are posting requests for us to help them with their homework in the forum for motorists to seek help regarding their own active speeding (or other criminal motoring offence) cases.
If you think that FPN could possible by an abbreviation of "Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty", perhaps your time would be better spent on matters which might help your future career - such as asking "do you want fries with that?". Other than posting in the appropriate forum (Flame Pit would seem to be the most appropriate), this site's purpose is to help motorists facing legal issues use the law to their advantage as best they can. We do not entertain questions on how to pervert the course of justice - whether in the form of a direct request to advise on how to do so, or in a more abstract form. -------------------- Andy
Some people think that I make them feel stupid. To be fair, they deserve most of the credit. |
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Sun, 8 Jul 2018 - 07:28
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,195 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Oh and a NIP is Notice of Intent to Prosecute, no interest (thought or financial) is included.
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Sun, 8 Jul 2018 - 10:42
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Member Group: Members Posts: 33,610 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 18,483 |
I’m also wondering how anyone can graduate from university not knowing the difference between “licence” and “license”. It’s not a former poly, is it?
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Any comments made do not constitute legal advice and should not be relied upon. No lawyer/client relationship should be assumed nor should any duty of care be owed. |
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Sun, 8 Jul 2018 - 11:20
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Member Group: Members Posts: 25,726 Joined: 28 Jun 2010 From: Area 51 Member No.: 38,559 |
I’m also wondering how anyone can graduate from university not knowing the difference between “licence” and “license”. It’s not a former poly, is it? Spell check doesn't find the error Considering that students sitting exams for others, even at lower levels like 11plus, has resulted in ID checks becoming mandatory for exams throughout education, be very surprised if examples of people using other's licence for many purposes could not be found. Plenty of PCOJ for blaming others.... this guy for instance blamed his dad, who was dead. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/drive...n-speed-4172195 |
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Sun, 8 Jul 2018 - 11:21
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Member Group: Members Posts: 604 Joined: 12 Oct 2009 Member No.: 32,760 |
I’m also wondering how anyone can graduate from university not knowing the difference between “licence” and “license”. It’s not a former poly, is it? You obviously haven't been involved in the education system for quite some time... You should see the written exams when they can't use a spell-checker! |
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Sun, 8 Jul 2018 - 11:49
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Member Group: Members Posts: 25,726 Joined: 28 Jun 2010 From: Area 51 Member No.: 38,559 |
I’m also wondering how anyone can graduate from university not knowing the difference between “licence” and “license”. It’s not a former poly, is it? You obviously haven't been involved in the education system for quite some time... You should see the written exams when they can't use a spell-checker! For a long while, didn't lose marks for poor spelling, even in English exams at GCSE. Far cry from my days at primary school where any word spelt wrongly had to be written out 10 times in back of your book.... in any subject. |
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Sun, 8 Jul 2018 - 13:41
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
I’m also wondering how anyone can graduate from university not knowing the difference between “licence” and “license”. It’s not a former poly, is it? Maybe he's American? What I don't understand is how people manage to mix up "there" and "their", they're not even vaguely similar. This post has been edited by cp8759: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 - 13:43 -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Sun, 8 Jul 2018 - 13:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,195 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
If he’s a merkin he wouldn’t be using FPN and COFP!
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Sun, 8 Jul 2018 - 14:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,306 Joined: 4 Mar 2017 Member No.: 90,659 |
I'm trying to work out what degree would require an ill informed thesis investigation into PCoJ.
I'm hoping not law. Maybe a degree to become a call handler for one of those blame/claim firms. This post has been edited by notmeatloaf: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 - 14:24 |
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Sun, 8 Jul 2018 - 14:31
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,300 Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Member No.: 47,602 |
In the (deleted) OP he said he was hoping to graduate "for" university, not "from".
Given that, and the timescale (most Unis have finished for summer), I think it's a school project. |
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Sun, 8 Jul 2018 - 15:45
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Member Group: Members Posts: 33,610 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 18,483 |
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Any comments made do not constitute legal advice and should not be relied upon. No lawyer/client relationship should be assumed nor should any duty of care be owed. |
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Mon, 9 Jul 2018 - 11:43
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Member Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 21 Apr 2016 Member No.: 83,881 |
In case anyone cares:
FPN - Using another license? Hi there, I'm a student, and about to graduate for University by the end of this month. Since January, the school has created a few groups that are interested in involving themselves with researching malicious actions done by the public. We have covered everything from scams, to perverting the course of justice. During our research of perverting the course of justice, we have found multiple sources that explains how the public used other peoples driving license for their NIP (Notice of interested prosecution) to avoid points and fines on their licenses. Now, we have found enough information to cover our end of the story for that. However, there isn't any shed of light on FPN (Conditional offer of Fixed Penalty) whether the public are using someone else's driving license to avoid points or fines. As far as we are aware, FPN's tend to be issued on the roadside (when pulled over) doesn't this mean that the police have confirmed who the driver of the vehicle is? Thus not being able to use someone else's license when handing over your license? Or does the DVLA issue the points to whatever license that is sent in, without checking the actual driver that got stopped? Or does the police not tell who the driver is when sending out the FPN? A week and a half left till the deadline of the project, few more subjects and hopefully an A+, yahoo! All replies are much appreciated. Thanks! -------------------- If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
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Tue, 10 Jul 2018 - 07:40
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Member Group: Members Posts: 587 Joined: 18 Sep 2008 From: Folkestone, Kent Member No.: 22,623 |
I missed the OP and thank you for publishing it.
Shouldn't you be able to write coherently before attending university? Grammar, punctuation and spelling were all knocked (sometimes literally) into me before leaving school in 1961. Ho hum, things change I suppose. |
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Tue, 10 Jul 2018 - 09:50
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,178 Joined: 1 Jan 2013 From: Glasgow Member No.: 59,097 |
I missed the OP and thank you for publishing it. Shouldn't you be able to write coherently before attending university? Grammar, punctuation and spelling were all knocked (sometimes literally) into me before leaving school in 1961. Ho hum, things change I suppose. Twitter, Facebook and other places including here confirm things have definitely changed. |
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Tue, 10 Jul 2018 - 10:24
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Member Group: Members Posts: 9,985 Joined: 20 Aug 2008 Member No.: 21,992 |
I often take great delight in redlining 'license/licence' dozens and dozens of times on contract templates that have supposedly come from the Legal departments of UK companies.
You'd be surprised (or maybe not). -------------------- Sometimes I use big words I don't understand in an effort to make myself sound more photosynthesis.
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Tue, 10 Jul 2018 - 11:03
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,306 Joined: 4 Mar 2017 Member No.: 90,659 |
Times and skills change. Simple fact is that with spell checkers the need to have perfect spelling decreases.
At work most of my notes are done by microphone. Bearing in mind it's often fairly technical medical terms it is exceedingly good. I only really use pen and paper for scribbled reminders and lists in my notebook. You may have perfect spelling but you wouldn't get many jobs now if you couldn't use computers. I don't doubt in thirty years time the fact I can use medical transcription will be equally obsolete. |
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Tue, 10 Jul 2018 - 12:09
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,746 Joined: 29 Oct 2008 Member No.: 23,623 |
The easiest way to differentiate between "license" (the verb) and "licence" (the noun) is to compare them to "advise" (the verb) and "advice" (the noun). Few people would say "I'm looking for advise" so they should not say "I'm looking for my driving license".
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Tue, 10 Jul 2018 - 12:22
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Webmaster Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,205 Joined: 30 Mar 2003 From: Wokingham, UK Member No.: 2 |
Few people would say "I'm looking for advise" I admire your optimism. Their are plenty of people on here who brake the law by breaking to a stop at the curb when they shouldn't, so I don't think a little matter like a difference in a single letter will kerb there errors. -------------------- Regards,
Fredd __________________________________________________________________________
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