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The Rookie
post Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 09:48
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Maybe rather than keep starting posts we can put them into one as a warning to others

Two speeding events, not his van honest guvnor, jailed for 6 months.


And from the archives under the status of legendary
Andy Roo (ex of this parish)

Chris Huhne and the ex Mrs Huhne

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post Tue, 26 Feb 2019 - 10:35
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The early release is standard for all sentences (assuming they do nothing wrong in jail), she'll be on Parole with strict conditions for the rest of the sentence.


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post Tue, 26 Feb 2019 - 10:52
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 26 Feb 2019 - 10:35) *
The early release is standard for all sentences (assuming they do nothing wrong in jail), she'll be on Parole with strict conditions for the rest of the sentence.


I must be out of touch.
I knew that release after 2/3rds of sentence (parole and conditions etc applied) was normal.
But 1/3rd ????
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post Tue, 26 Feb 2019 - 13:40
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 26 Feb 2019 - 10:35) *
The early release is standard for all sentences (assuming they do nothing wrong in jail), she'll be on Parole with strict conditions for the rest of the sentence.

According to https://www.gov.uk/leaving-prison

If the prisoner has a fixed term (determinate) sentence
A prisoner serving a determinate sentence is normally released automatically halfway through their sentence.

If their sentence is 12 months or more, they’ll be released on probation.


How she got away with only serving 28 days I'm not really sure. I also take it she won't be on probation, but may be recalled to prison if she offends again.

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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 26 Feb 2019 - 13:40) *
How she got away with only serving 28 days I'm not really sure. I also take it she won't be on probation, but may be recalled to prison if she offends again.

Home Detention Curfew for the rest.
Huhne and Price had the same, after 1/4 of their sentence.
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QUOTE (big_mac @ Tue, 26 Feb 2019 - 14:20) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 26 Feb 2019 - 13:40) *
How she got away with only serving 28 days I'm not really sure. I also take it she won't be on probation, but may be recalled to prison if she offends again.

Home Detention Curfew for the rest.
Huhne and Price had the same, after 1/4 of their sentence.

Does she get an exemption if there's an all-night debate in Parliament?


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post Wed, 6 Mar 2019 - 03:46
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Taxi driver used a dead mans details twice (one speeding, one RLC).

I kind of like the Judges approach here of remanding in custody for a short time (so he gets some experience of a jail) and then suspending the sentence (2x2 months to run consecutively).
https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-n...-points-2600582


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post Thu, 14 Mar 2019 - 13:51
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Two for one here

https://www.cumbria.police.uk/News/News-Art...ng-offence.aspx

Can't find any more detail, but they must have been charged with something else as well as you can't get a driving ban for PCOJ.
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post Thu, 14 Mar 2019 - 14:47
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QUOTE (Mono @ Thu, 14 Mar 2019 - 13:51) *
Two for one here

https://www.cumbria.police.uk/News/News-Art...ng-offence.aspx

Can't find any more detail, but they must have been charged with something else as well as you can't get a driving ban for PCOJ.

You can be banned for any offence under s 146 of the Powers of Criminal Courts (Sentencing) Act 2000.


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You can be banned for any offence under s 146 of the Powers of Criminal Courts (Sentencing) Act 2000.

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QUOTE (Mono @ Thu, 14 Mar 2019 - 13:51) *
Two for one here

https://www.cumbria.police.uk/News/News-Art...ng-offence.aspx

Can't find any more detail, but they must have been charged with something else as well as you can't get a driving ban for PCOJ.

One assumes it was a case of asking a mate to take the points and mate saying yes.
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post Fri, 29 Mar 2019 - 12:01
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We may soon have some more for the wall of infamy
http://smarthighways.net/arrests-made-over...mera-tampering/
3 arrested for using laser jammers (not sure I'd use the headline speed camera tampering although its not actually incorrect I guess).


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post Fri, 29 Mar 2019 - 21:11
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Fri, 29 Mar 2019 - 12:01) *
We may soon have some more for the wall of infamy
http://smarthighways.net/arrests-made-over...mera-tampering/
3 arrested for using laser jammers (not sure I'd use the headline speed camera tampering although its not actually incorrect I guess).

Unusual for the Press but I'd have said correct, strictly speaking it is the speed camera tampering that is the reason for PCOJ.
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post Wed, 3 Apr 2019 - 10:55
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Not speeding but careless driving.

The reporting isn't 100% clear but it appears she was convicted of that offence and impersonating a police office (at the scene - lie one).

This lead to an appeal (on what basis sin't clear) where she used a forged letter from a GP as part of defence/mitigation (lie two).

Once it was realised it was forged she then tried to claim the forgery was perpetrated by someone else at the surgery (lie three).

Convicted of PCOJ for forging and presenting that letter.
Got away with 12 months suspended for 2 years.
https://www.timesandstar.co.uk/news/1753908...ly-avoids-jail/

The reporting of the original hearing for careless and impersonating.
https://www.timesandstar.co.uk/news/1701377...police-officer/

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post Fri, 5 Apr 2019 - 05:01
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Another laser jammer case,North Yorks Police stating they have seen a significant increase in use.

2 months (not suspended), seems that 2 months is the new 9 months! (sentence after a guilty plea)

https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/17552000.f...h-laser-device/

Police press release
https://northyorkshire.police.uk/news/jail-...speeding-fines/


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post Fri, 5 Apr 2019 - 14:27
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North Yorks seem very keen on PCOJ for jammers and the like. They seem a bit like Cumbria and the use of this forum.


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However, they've also done a good job of proving to the public that they work.

I'm sure fitting a speed measurement jamming device is (and should be) somehow illegal, but PCoJ relates to acts undertaken after a potential enforcement event, so it is not clear to me why they thought they had a strong case against this motorist. It may be that the driver did something after the event in question, but this has not been reported in the links above.

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post Sat, 6 Apr 2019 - 15:04
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QUOTE (Churchmouse @ Sat, 6 Apr 2019 - 14:45) *
However, they've also done a good job of proving to the public that they work.

I'm sure fitting a speed measurement jamming device is (and should be) somehow illegal, but PCoJ relates to acts undertaken after a potential enforcement event, so it is not clear to me why they thought they had a strong case against this motorist. It may be that the driver did something after the event in question, but this has not been reported in the links above.

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We've had this discussion before in this thread http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showto...t&p=1461564
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Sat, 6 Apr 2019 - 16:04) *
QUOTE (Churchmouse @ Sat, 6 Apr 2019 - 14:45) *
However, they've also done a good job of proving to the public that they work.

I'm sure fitting a speed measurement jamming device is (and should be) somehow illegal, but PCoJ relates to acts undertaken after a potential enforcement event, so it is not clear to me why they thought they had a strong case against this motorist. It may be that the driver did something after the event in question, but this has not been reported in the links above.

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We've had this discussion before in this thread http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showto...t&p=1461564

We have, but we don't really know what the driver was accused of doing. Neither the police nor the newspaper seem very concerned about establishing (or revealing) the facts. This was another guilty plea, wasn't it? Yes. No need to prove the allegation in court if they plead guilty.

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post Sat, 6 Apr 2019 - 20:03
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QUOTE (Churchmouse @ Sat, 6 Apr 2019 - 20:19) *
......….We have, but we don't really know what the driver was accused of doing. Neither the police nor the newspaper seem very concerned about establishing (or revealing) the facts. This was another guilty plea, wasn't it? Yes. No need to prove the allegation in court if they plead guilty.

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We are never going to see a legal decision from a court with a guilty plea in the equation.
Or much of an explanation from the police except the solemnly delivered adages about treating speeding and those who seek to avoid justice seriously.
Personally I don't see that the culprit has to have done anything except fit a device that can jam speed measurements without good reason.
The police/CPS go into court saying that they believe the intent was to interfere with equipment and thus evade speed limits and lawful enforcement.
Accused is on the back foot without good reason and police stance will be that there is no lawful reason for it to be fitted therefore intent is obvious.
They must prove intent but I cannot see that beyond reasonable doubt is not achievable.

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Intent can be inferred.


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