PePiPoo Helping the motorist get justice

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

bus lane Crystal Palace Parade, bus lane
RAsunlight
post Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 09:14
Post #1


New Member


Group: Members
Posts: 7
Joined: 13 Jun 2018
Member No.: 98,430



recently received a PCN BY94194940 for a bus lane infringement from Bromley council.
I(red nissan VA61EWX) was turning left following the flow of traffic. when i was impeded my blue volkswagen and in order to avoid an accident I drifted into the bus lane unknowingly but I exited out of the bus lane as soon as i safe to do so.
would that be a valid explanation in order for the PCN to be cancelled?

This post has been edited by RAsunlight: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 09:24
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
 
Start new topic
Replies (1 - 14)
Advertisement
post Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 09:14
Post #


Advertise here!









Go to the top of the page
 
Quote Post
stamfordman
post Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 09:20
Post #2


Member


Group: Members
Posts: 7,857
Joined: 12 Feb 2013
From: London
Member No.: 59,924



Post the PCN and video.

Use a site such as Flickr for pics and video.

If you need help let us know.

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
RAsunlight
post Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 10:40
Post #3


New Member


Group: Members
Posts: 7
Joined: 13 Jun 2018
Member No.: 98,430



Whats the name of the group on flickr?
just open an account there
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
stamfordman
post Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 10:48
Post #4


Member


Group: Members
Posts: 7,857
Joined: 12 Feb 2013
From: London
Member No.: 59,924



Here's video - it doesn't show what happened after you went into the lane and I I'm not sure it really shows you were impeded - see what others say.

It's worth posting the PCN so we can check for errors.

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
PASTMYBEST
post Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 10:59
Post #5


Member


Group: Members
Posts: 13,743
Joined: 6 Nov 2014
Member No.: 74,048



We need a GSV
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Earl Purple
post Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 11:03
Post #6


Member


Group: Members
Posts: 647
Joined: 25 Jul 2010
Member No.: 39,245



I see the vehicle clearly enter into the left hand lane and drive a little in it but where does it pass a bus-lane sign?

There would have to be a clear visible one on the road it would pass around the point the line goes solid.

Is that all they have?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
stamfordman
post Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 11:08
Post #7


Member


Group: Members
Posts: 7,857
Joined: 12 Feb 2013
From: London
Member No.: 59,924



Looks like no blue bus lane sign as of this GSV:

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4242845,-0....3312!8i6656

But there is this:

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4242746,-0....3312!8i6656

This post has been edited by stamfordman: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 11:09
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
RAsunlight
post Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 11:11
Post #8


New Member


Group: Members
Posts: 7
Joined: 13 Jun 2018
Member No.: 98,430



was first time driving in area and i exited the bus lane after taking the corner.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
RAsunlight
post Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 11:39
Post #9


New Member


Group: Members
Posts: 7
Joined: 13 Jun 2018
Member No.: 98,430



QUOTE (stamfordman @ Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 11:48) *
Here's video - it doesn't show what happened after you went into the lane and I I'm not sure it really shows you were impeded - see what others say.

It's worth posting the PCN so we can check for errors.


PCN
Attached thumbnail(s)
Attached Image
 
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
PASTMYBEST
post Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 11:49
Post #10


Member


Group: Members
Posts: 13,743
Joined: 6 Nov 2014
Member No.: 74,048



My concern was that you turned right from a left turn lane you impeded yourself. That said you can argue that you crossed a broken white line( this is allowed as per TSRGD 2016) and that you moved over as soon as you realised that this was still a bus lane. The lack of the statutory blue sign caused any de Minimis incursion into the bus lane
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
RAsunlight
post Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 12:05
Post #11


New Member


Group: Members
Posts: 7
Joined: 13 Jun 2018
Member No.: 98,430



cool.gif Thanks for the info and thats exactly how it happen. I hope the truth is still valved as the best defence
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
stamfordman
post Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 12:16
Post #12


Member


Group: Members
Posts: 7,857
Joined: 12 Feb 2013
From: London
Member No.: 59,924



I would certainly challenge - post a draft here first. With London bus lanes you also get an appeal stage too before adjudication - so three bites at it if you want.

you need to do this now as your 14 days discount is about to run out.

This post has been edited by stamfordman: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 12:17
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
RAsunlight
post Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 14:25
Post #13


New Member


Group: Members
Posts: 7
Joined: 13 Jun 2018
Member No.: 98,430



Dear Sir

Please accept this letter as formal representation against Enforcement Notice
as detailed above.
My appeal is based on two specific grounds:
1.I am unfamiliar with the area and I found myself in the left lane trying to turn right.
in order to avoid an accident and to make the unnatural and unsafe
sudden “swerve” I entered into the broken line( this is allowed as per TSRGD 2016) , whereas you can see in the video.
upon completion of the manoeuvre I moved over quickly and safely as possible as i noticed this was still a bus lane.

2.Upon entering crystal Place Parade road the lack of the statutory blue sign caused the de Minimis incursion into the bus lane.

I therefore ask for the PCN to be cancelled on the grounds of de minimis

This post has been edited by RAsunlight: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 14:49
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
stamfordman
post Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 15:08
Post #14


Member


Group: Members
Posts: 7,857
Joined: 12 Feb 2013
From: London
Member No.: 59,924



1.I am unfamiliar with the area and was turning right into Crystal Palace Parade. I can see from the video that to give space to the van on my right I entered into
into the broken line at the start of the bus lane but quickly moved safely out of the lane, which the video doesn't show.

2.There is no blue bus lane sign at the start of that stretch in Crystal Palace Parade according to Google Street View that would have alerted me to the time of operation of the bus lane, but in any case I exited it without driving in it for more than a few feet.

I therefore ask for the PCN to be cancelled on the grounds of de minimis and lack of signage.

This post has been edited by stamfordman: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 15:09
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
RAsunlight
post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 08:03
Post #15


New Member


Group: Members
Posts: 7
Joined: 13 Jun 2018
Member No.: 98,430



Thanks alot guys
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 



Advertisement

Advertise here!

RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: Tuesday, 16th October 2018 - 19:45
Pepipoo uses cookies. You can find details of the cookies we use here along with links to information on how to manage them.
Please click the button to accept our cookies and hide this message. We’ll also assume that you’re happy to accept them if you continue to use the site.