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post Tue, 1 Nov 2016 - 16:11
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post Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 18:40
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QUOTE (Lucifa @ Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 13:24) *
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Trump is a lousy businessman


I find it amusing when people keep saying this. He's a lousy businessman, yet one of the richest people in the world?

Ok then.


My understanding of this, and i'm sure you can find more detailed accounts, is that he inherited a fortune from his father - about 500m and today he's worth about 3.6b.

However if he had simply put that entire fortune in the bank and earned standard interest off it, he would now be worth far far more - hence the claims of a lousy businessman.



Informed speculation is that he is worth considerably less. His hotels and resorts are all funded by loans and mortgaged to the hilt. He won't release his Tax Returns so we can find out.

As for 'Oil Wars' Trump has said several times that the US should have tsken the oil from Iraq, actually occupy the oil fields and steal the oil as 'payback' .

To think that this man will actually chang if he is elected president is deluded.
He can't let any perceived contradiction, insult or gainsaying pass. He can never be wrong, he denies saying things that are a matter of public record, he even gainsays himself.
He won't take advice because he is already the greatest expert. He has daid numerous times he knows more about the military than the generals because when he was expelled from his private school he was sent to a Military Academy for a year.
He is going to 'put them right' and replace those that disagree. He knows more about 'nuclear' he is going to update the 'nuclear' because it's old and wants to know why he can't use them He knows more about 'cyber'. He is going to put the CIA and DOD right on it. It goes on and on, he won't learn because he already knows because he is so smart. His brain is the best, just the best.
He has always been surrounded by yes men and has always got his way, that's why his forays in to any business other than property has been a disaster.
Any foreigner leader will be able to play him like a piano.
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post Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 20:03
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Is this personal knowledge or simply what you have read. I ask because if you go to the USA you will find completely the opposite views as well.
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post Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 20:11
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Based on his own words and promises. Trumps first 100 days.

Among things to can expect: a trade war with China and Mexico, a restarting of Iran’s nuclear program, millions losing their health insurance, the start of mass deportations, a possible military standoff with China in the South China Sea and North Korea, the resumption of waterboarding, the use of federal agencies to go after Hillary Clinton and other Trump critics, the spectacle of the commander in chief suing women who have accused him of sexual misconduct and a constitutional crisis as the president of the United States attempts to disqualify the federal judge in a fraud suit against him because the judge is Latino.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the...ab06_story.html
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post Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 21:28
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So, if you were eligible to vote, you'd be voting for Trump?


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post Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 22:45
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Trump is like Boris.

Fun to have around but you'd never want him in charge.


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post Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 23:00
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Boris is a very intelligent man who plays to the image of an amiable buffoon.
The closest Trump has to a saving grace is that he isn't Hillary.


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post Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 23:17
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Trump is in it for Trump. He's switched political affiliation so many times it's simply absurd. It's tough to gauge what he actually believes on many issues, he really doesn't think very much about most issues. He's admitted that he doesn't really read much and that he doesn't take advice from experts. He has no attention span, he even has special cuts of movies made that last about half an hour and just have the highlights. By the time the election is over and the inauguration next year if he wins there's no guarantee he would have the same ideas or even any interest in being president.
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post Sat, 5 Nov 2016 - 09:16
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And Hillary is not in it for Hillary ?
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post Sat, 5 Nov 2016 - 12:15
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QUOTE (kommando @ Sat, 5 Nov 2016 - 09:16) *
And Hillary is not in it for Hillary ?


I never claimed she wasn't but, Hilary also has over thirty years of public service, she was active in the civil rights movement in the 60s as a student and newly qualified lawyer, she campaigned on housing issues, served in the Senate and as Secretary of State.

The Toronto Star has compiled a database of all Donalds false claims from the campaign.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/uselecti...lse-things.html
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post Sat, 5 Nov 2016 - 12:40
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You do seem rather biased. A bit like most Americans I know!


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OK, think about the fact that a Canadian newspaper is motivated to monitor the lies of the Republican nominee. Then, realize this is just a spot of mud in the ----storm that will follow if he wins. 

AP has dug into Melania's immigration status. There's going to be a whole lot more digging in the future. His tax returnswill leak, and the IRS will be merciless if an audit reveals wrongdoing. The Trump U trial will covered wall-to-wall, many Americans (and financial institutions) will see their retirement accounts thrown into disarray due to continuing jitters about his unpredictability. He will have no control over his assets and the "blind trust" arrangements will be subject to scrutiny. (That also might require public disclosure of just what his net worth really is). Melania, who may have been humiliated by infidelities, will IMO not be a terribly supportive first lady. She already has seemed a bit subversive to me - saying he's easily manipulated? If Dems get the Senate, he may not be able to get Supreme Court appointments confirmed. In fact, I doubt if he'll have much luck finding nominees that fit his campaign promises. He's insulted the federal judiciary and basically has promised to nominate judges who will do as he says, which is another insult to their integrity. He does not come in with a loyal cadre of past aides; outside of his family only a handful of suck-ups support him. Meanwhile his voting base may well turn on him if he fails to build the wall, put Hillary in jail or bring back manufacturing jobs. 

And his own party might resist him on some proposals. Do they really want to throw Obamacare out with no plan to replace it? It might make some in Congress think twice about whether it's wise to suddenly make many Americans uninsurable. When he tries to amend the constitution to end birthright citizenship he might face opposition. And when he rolls over on Russia he'll be criticized. When he slaps on tariffs there will be retaliation and fewer countries will want to do business with the U.S. He won't have any clue about how to improve education. He will aggressively roll back progress on cleaner energy, keep ignoring climate change and do away with as much environmental protection as he can. And, of course, tax the rich while reaching deeper into middle-class pockets.

Damn right I am biased
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Can you do a post like the above focused on Clinton?


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QUOTE (captain swoop @ Sat, 5 Nov 2016 - 12:44) *
OK, think about the fact that a Canadian newspaper is motivated to monitor the lies of the Republican nominee. Then, realize this is just a spot of mud in the ----storm that will follow if he wins. 

AP has dug into Melania's immigration status. There's going to be a whole lot more digging in the future. His tax returnswill leak, and the IRS will be merciless if an audit reveals wrongdoing. The Trump U trial will covered wall-to-wall, many Americans (and financial institutions) will see their retirement accounts thrown into disarray due to continuing jitters about his unpredictability. He will have no control over his assets and the "blind trust" arrangements will be subject to scrutiny. (That also might require public disclosure of just what his net worth really is). Melania, who may have been humiliated by infidelities, will IMO not be a terribly supportive first lady. She already has seemed a bit subversive to me - saying he's easily manipulated? If Dems get the Senate, he may not be able to get Supreme Court appointments confirmed. In fact, I doubt if he'll have much luck finding nominees that fit his campaign promises. He's insulted the federal judiciary and basically has promised to nominate judges who will do as he says, which is another insult to their integrity. He does not come in with a loyal cadre of past aides; outside of his family only a handful of suck-ups support him. Meanwhile his voting base may well turn on him if he fails to build the wall, put Hillary in jail or bring back manufacturing jobs. 

And his own party might resist him on some proposals. Do they really want to throw Obamacare out with no plan to replace it? It might make some in Congress think twice about whether it's wise to suddenly make many Americans uninsurable. When he tries to amend the constitution to end birthright citizenship he might face opposition. And when he rolls over on Russia he'll be criticized. When he slaps on tariffs there will be retaliation and fewer countries will want to do business with the U.S. He won't have any clue about how to improve education. He will aggressively roll back progress on cleaner energy, keep ignoring climate change and do away with as much environmental protection as he can. And, of course, tax the rich while reaching deeper into middle-class pockets.

Damn right I am biased

Biased and somewhat uninformed. If you get your information from populist media who hate Trump and slant every article to that agenda you end up making hysterical claims. Just like project fear. If you do a bit of research you will find that Obamacare is not universally liked and faced huge opposition from both houses and many Americans. Judges have never been independent. If you do just a little bit of research you will find that presidents have always picked supreme court judges who would support the presidents political and personal views. I also think you will find a lot of people willing to work for Trump if he wins. The attraction of power is what runs Washington DC.

There are also many sections of the press who consider Hillary to be just as dangerous as Trump. In fact her record of supporting war in the middle east should make all of us wary.

In short CS, Trump may be a somewhat odious individual with popularist ideas, but like brexit you can't dismiss the desire of half a country to stick it to the current establishment.

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Somewhat uninformed? I have bern following the csmpaign closely and form my opinions based on information from a range of sources across the political spectrum and wide discussions on seversl US based Forums.

Presidents nominate judges, Congress appoints them. Appointees always end up being a compromise by both sides. Trump seems to think he is going to have dictatorial powers, his understanding of the US Constitution and political process is that of a child.

I am happy not to supporting the chosen candate of both the KKK snd American Nazi Party.
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post Sat, 5 Nov 2016 - 18:33
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QUOTE (captain swoop @ Sat, 5 Nov 2016 - 18:00) *
Presidents nominate judges, Congress appoints them.

The US Senate ratifies the appointment.


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To each his own - it's Hobson's Choice. If Trump wins he'll need reigning in. If Clinton wins it'll be more of the same, with a more aggressive foreign policy than Obama.
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Sat, 5 Nov 2016 - 18:33) *
QUOTE (captain swoop @ Sat, 5 Nov 2016 - 18:00) *
Presidents nominate judges, Congress appoints them.

The US Senate ratifies the appointment.


Sorry, meant the Senate.
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QUOTE (captain swoop @ Sat, 5 Nov 2016 - 12:15) *
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And Hillary is not in it for Hillary ?


I never claimed she wasn't but, Hilary also has over thirty years of public service, she was active in the civil rights movement in the 60s as a student and newly qualified lawyer, she campaigned on housing issues, served in the Senate and as Secretary of State.

The Toronto Star has compiled a database of all Donalds false claims from the campaign.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/uselecti...lse-things.html

Hillarybots are clearly just as nauseating as Donnybots. I hold both in roughly equal contempt--especially when they simply repeat things from the Innernet.

Who are you trying to convince, anyway? There aren't many eligible US voters on PePiPoo. dry.gif

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post Sat, 5 Nov 2016 - 23:53
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QUOTE (Churchmouse @ Sat, 5 Nov 2016 - 20:25) *
QUOTE (captain swoop @ Sat, 5 Nov 2016 - 12:15) *
QUOTE (kommando @ Sat, 5 Nov 2016 - 09:16) *
And Hillary is not in it for Hillary ?


I never claimed she wasn't but, Hilary also has over thirty years of public service, she was active in the civil rights movement in the 60s as a student and newly qualified lawyer, she campaigned on housing issues, served in the Senate and as Secretary of State.

The Toronto Star has compiled a database of all Donalds false claims from the campaign.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/uselecti...lse-things.html

Hillarybots are clearly just as nauseating as Donnybots. I hold both in roughly equal contempt--especially when they simply repeat things from the Innernet.

Who are you trying to convince, anyway? There aren't many eligible US voters on PePiPoo. dry.gif

--Churchmouse

You, sir, get a +1.


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Maybe not but US elections have repercussions for us.
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