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oh and ...........

" Farage admitted his big NHS bus advert was a mistake/bare faced lie.!!


The lie was it was HIS bus when it was nothing to do with him at all and they knew it.

Farage was questioned after being up all night through the voting and poorly defended it .Of course the mentally challenged ran with the media lies but conveniently ignored the facts.

"When it was pointed out that Vote Leave emblazoned the £350 million claim onto the side of a tour bus and drove it around the country, Mr Farage said: “It wasn’t one of my adverts – I can assure you! I think they made a mistake in doing that. "

Something YOU can now remember?






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post Wed, 2 Nov 2016 - 05:48
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Interesting how some points made here show a very narrow view uninformed view.

Anyone who actually watched leaders of the leave campaign discussing our financial contributions in serious interviews will have heard them talk of the £350M as a headline figure and that the amount we will actually have to spend is closer to £200M. Of course those who got their information about the issues from twitter or the headlines would miss that detail. The claims of a 47% rise in race hate crime post vote has been totally discredited. The only people who believe it are again the twitter generation and those who just look at headlines.


Criticising Trump for having been bankrupt shows a clear lack of understanding of US culture. Over there they do not look down on or denigrate businessmen who fail, especially if like Trump they eventually become successful. Similarly what candidates appear to promise when campaigning bears no relation to their time in office. Obama got a Nobel prize shortly after being elected because they thought he would be a great President. He isn't, he is generally regarded in the US as a poor president.

Sexual and personal flaws are utterly irrelevant. JFK was a sexual predator, George W was a cocaine and alcohol abuser, Reagan had dementia when elected for his 2nd term, Bill Clinton...... need we say more.

What the referendum and the US elections prove is that the mainstream public are frustrated with the existing political classes. I could list 15 reasons Clinton is a danger to the safety of the world not to mention personality flaws the equal of Trump. Like Brexit you just have to get on in a democracy and deal with the result. Crying about it won't help.
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Welcome back Sarge.

The most sensible post I've read in ages.


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post Wed, 2 Nov 2016 - 13:19
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Reasons not to vote for trump.

1) Unstable thin-skinned bully as Commander in Chief and in charge of nuclear weapons

What, how could anyone need more? Well OK then, loads of reasons why he’d be devastating for the world as a whole:

2) Would surrender to Putin on anything and everything, from Ukraine to invasion of the Balts to sanctions, and has continually attacked Nato and America’s Nato allies

3) He would overturn the Paris climate treaty and actively try to wreck the US renewables industry while giving fossil fuel industries anything they want

4) Happy for nuclear proliferation to Saudi etc

5) Eager to start conflict with Iran, make war on Middle East countries to “take all their oil”, has his own childish fantasies about crushing ISIS while ignoring the advice of generals

6) Wants soldiers to commit war crimes, murder terrorists and their families, and torture non-terrorists because they probably deserve it anyway

7) Would wreck the US economy, and with it damage the rest of the world economy, causing poverty and death for unknown numbers in the US and elsewhere. Suggested the US should default on its debt.

8. Deportation force to round up immigrants, put them in custody and deport them

9) Direct racist who seeks support from white supremacists and the KKK, wants to discriminate against African Americans and Hispanic Americans, including new police powers, stop and frisk and capital punishment for alleged rapists if they are black, even if later found innocent. Plus a delightful sprinkling of anti-Semitism

10) Direct Islamophobe who wants special surveillance and registers of Muslims, plus random nonsense about banning Muslims entering the country

11) A proven sexist who wants to discriminate against women in the workplace, particularly pregnant women

12) Wants “power of veto” over the media, loosening of libel laws, generally attacks free speech

13) Has called for special prosecutor to override law and the FBI and lock up his political opponent, and generally is obsessed with revenge and wants to use state institutions to pursue personal vendettas. Admires dictators and loves to threaten/encourage violence at his rallies, including hinting that gun nuts should assassinate his opponent. Suggested American civilians could be tried by military commissions at Guantanamo. Wants his thugs to “monitor” polling booths in “certain communities” to ensure “they” don’t rig the election

14) Wants to appoint extreme right wingers to the Supreme Court, including going along with Republican anti-abortion policies

15) Continual liar who is addicted to conspiracy theories, making him dangerously unpredictable

His sexual assaults on women, and his boasting about sexually assaulting women, doesn’t even make the top 15. That’s just damage to individuals, rather active damage to the entire world and destruction of the USA.

Further reasons that didn’t make the top 15 involving the damage he has done to individuals:

- Sexually assaults women
- Voyeurism against young women, including under 18s
- Attacked the Muslim parents of a dead solider
- Personally insults distinguished public servants, generals, etc
- Mocks veterans and POWs, mocks the disabled, mocks women for their personal appearance, uses racist insults, uses belittling insults

Reasons that show he’s nearer a fraudster than a successful businessman:

- Cheats on his taxes
- Uses his “charitable” foundation for personal benefit and lies about his charity donations
- Business failures and bankruptcies
- Lies about how much money he’s got and how much his father gave him
- Trump University fraud
- Cheats small businesses out of the money he owes them
- Actively sought illegal immigrants to employ
- Ties to mafia
- Lied about offering child care to his employees
- Financial links to Russia, Colonel Gadhafi, China

Reasons to do with him being a pathetic individual who’s basically a nasty little ****:

- Obsession with TV ratings, how much applause his speech gets, size of rallies, uses fake polls to claim he’s winning or won debates
- Boasted during a debate about the size of his *****
- Lied about 9/11 and boasted it made his building the tallest
- Congratulated himself over terrorist attacks and again after an African American was murdered
- False boasts about predicting Brexit
- Dodged the draft
- Used pseudonyms to pretend to be his own press spokesman
- When introducing his own running mate, just talked about himself
- Called avoiding STDs his own personal Vietnam
- Lied about opposing Iraq war
- Family and close supporters retweet and spread extreme rightwing memes, lies and abuse, while Trump himself refuses to disown and occasionally join in
- Chose as his first campaign chief someone who got arrested for grabbing a reporter, second had close links to Russia and Ukraine dictator, third makes anti-Semitic comments and has been accused of domestic abuse
- Talks bollocks about a fantasy wall that Mexico will pay for
- Talks bollocks about ISIS and how scary it is
- Urged hacking by Russia of Democrats emails
- Probably fixed his Florida Trump University lawsuit by bribing the state AG

I wouldn't vote for Trump in a million years, but it's also obvious from screeds such as this that opposing an idiot like Trump doesn't necessarily require intelligence... huh.gif

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post Wed, 2 Nov 2016 - 13:47
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Wed, 2 Nov 2016 - 00:48) *
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6) Wants soldiers to commit war crimes, murder terrorists and their families, and torture non-terrorists because they probably deserve it anyway


I doubt US troops will follow an unlawful order.

Abu Ghraibe?


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post Wed, 2 Nov 2016 - 23:16
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Trump is a lousy businessman, he started with a multi million pound gift from his father snd blew it, his father gave him more.
Apart from a few hotels and golf resorts he has failed at every business venture he has undertaken.
Trump Airline, he bought a profitable airline and drove it in to the ground. Trump Casino. He bought a casino in Atlantic City and then built another one. He had them competing against each other and the existing casinos. He ignored all the advice of the industry advisors he was paying because he knew better (Just like he claims to know more about the military and how to defeat ISIS thwn the Generals and DOD) busted and lost everything. Trump University, bust and the subject of a big fraud case. Trump Wine, Trump Steaks, Trump Water in fact Trump everything.
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post Thu, 3 Nov 2016 - 00:10
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Meet the Horde of Neo-Nazis, Klansmen, and Other Extremist Leaders Endorsing Donald Trump


http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/...ias-racism-hate
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post Thu, 3 Nov 2016 - 00:17
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"Top Trumps" was very popular at one time I seem to recall.
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QUOTE (captain swoop @ Tue, 1 Nov 2016 - 22:01) *
2) Would surrender to Putin on anything and everything, from Ukraine to invasion of the Balts to sanctions, and has continually attacked Nato and America’s Nato allies


Most of them deserve being attacked for their support of the terrorist opposition groups in Syria.

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5) Eager to start conflict with Iran, make war on Middle East countries to “take all their oil”, has his own childish fantasies about crushing ISIS while ignoring the advice of generals


I think Clinton is far more into illegal oil wars and invading middle eastern countries than Trump.
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post Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 09:03
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It should be noted that in the list of 15 facts, virtually all were simply theories.

I suspect that if Trump wins you will see a much calmer performance in office than campaigning.
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QUOTE (sgtdixie @ Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 09:03) *
I suspect that if Trump wins you will see a much calmer performance in office than campaigning.

It does seem curious, though, that people are prepared to vote for somebody who promises to do stupid and/or dangerous things, on the basis that the candidate is lying about what they'll do so that's all right then.


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QUOTE (captain swoop @ Wed, 2 Nov 2016 - 23:16) *
Trump is a lousy businessman


I find it amusing when people keep saying this. He's a lousy businessman, yet one of the richest people in the world?

Ok then.
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QUOTE (Fredd @ Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 09:33) *
QUOTE (sgtdixie @ Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 09:03) *
I suspect that if Trump wins you will see a much calmer performance in office than campaigning.

It does seem curious, though, that people are prepared to vote for somebody who promises to do stupid and/or dangerous things, on the basis that the candidate is lying about what they'll do so that's all right then.

That level of incredulity at what the electorate actually thinks was why the establishment didn't see brexit coming.
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QUOTE (MFM @ Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 12:24) *
QUOTE (captain swoop @ Wed, 2 Nov 2016 - 23:16) *
Trump is a lousy businessman


I find it amusing when people keep saying this. He's a lousy businessman, yet one of the richest people in the world?

Ok then.


Given the choice between someone who has successfully run a major business empire or a career politician to run the country, to me it is a no brainer.
Then you look at the actual choices and I'd want a box on the ballot paper that says "Neither" ?
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 12:28) *
QUOTE (MFM @ Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 12:24) *
QUOTE (captain swoop @ Wed, 2 Nov 2016 - 23:16) *
Trump is a lousy businessman


I find it amusing when people keep saying this. He's a lousy businessman, yet one of the richest people in the world?

Ok then.


Given the choice between someone who has successfully run a major business empire or a career politician to run the country, to me it is a no brainer.
Then you look at the actual choices and I'd want a box on the ballot paper that says "Neither" ?


As 'ludicrous' as it may seem to vote for Trump to become president, you can't shy away from all the atrocious things Hilary Clinton did and lied about. She is totally untrustworthy and dangerous and should be in jail. I mean, she's being investigated by the FBI for breaching national security, which she has blatantly done, yet she's still in the running?

You watch, if Trump becomes president, she will be the first person he goes after.
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QUOTE (MFM @ Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 13:24) *
QUOTE (captain swoop @ Wed, 2 Nov 2016 - 23:16) *
Trump is a lousy businessman


I find it amusing when people keep saying this. He's a lousy businessman, yet one of the richest people in the world?

Ok then.


My understanding of this, and i'm sure you can find more detailed accounts, is that he inherited a fortune from his father - about 500m and today he's worth about 3.6b.

However if he had simply put that entire fortune in the bank and earned standard interest off it, he would now be worth far far more - hence the claims of a lousy businessman.
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QUOTE (sgtdixie @ Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 12:28) *
QUOTE (Fredd @ Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 09:33) *
QUOTE (sgtdixie @ Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 09:03) *
I suspect that if Trump wins you will see a much calmer performance in office than campaigning.

It does seem curious, though, that people are prepared to vote for somebody who promises to do stupid and/or dangerous things, on the basis that the candidate is lying about what they'll do so that's all right then.

That level of incredulity at what the electorate actually thinks was why the establishment didn't see brexit coming.

I would say that "seems curious" displays a very low level of incredulity, and if you read my posts made during the referendum campaign I think you'd conclude that I wasn't surprised at all that people were prepared to vote for the riskier option, against the views of the establishment. However I don't think anybody voted for Brexit while thinking that if the vote was to leave that we wouldn't leave; yet in the case of Trump we have people arguing that it's OK voting for him because he'll behave in a completely different way from what he's said he will and in some cases has a prior record of doing. That's the aspect I find curious.


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I had not intended to make a personal link re you and brexit fredd, I apologise if that was the impression given.

My point was simply that most establishment figures believed that the apocalyptic forecasts of the vote to leave meant no sane person would actually do so. Similarly most mainstream commentators take Trumps pronouncements at literal face value which most people agree are somewhat extreme. But I have many friends in the US who believe that Trump is in fact posturing to make a point on issues such as illegal immigration, the dangers of radical Islam and the corruption of establishment figures. His Mexico wall is a metaphor for toughened border control for instance. Given no US president has been free to pursue his own agenda unfettered there is no reason to believe Trump would be allowed to go rogue and press the button.
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QUOTE (MFM @ Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 12:34) *
QUOTE (DancingDad @ Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 12:28) *
QUOTE (MFM @ Fri, 4 Nov 2016 - 12:24) *
QUOTE (captain swoop @ Wed, 2 Nov 2016 - 23:16) *
Trump is a lousy businessman


I find it amusing when people keep saying this. He's a lousy businessman, yet one of the richest people in the world?

Ok then.


Given the choice between someone who has successfully run a major business empire or a career politician to run the country, to me it is a no brainer.
Then you look at the actual choices and I'd want a box on the ballot paper that says "Neither" ?


As 'ludicrous' as it may seem to vote for Trump to become president, you can't shy away from all the atrocious things Hilary Clinton did and lied about. She is totally untrustworthy and dangerous and should be in jail. I mean, she's being investigated by the FBI for breaching national security, which she has blatantly done, yet she's still in the running?

You watch, if Trump becomes president, she will be the first person he goes after.


What atrocious things? Republicans have spent decades trying to find something, they have had numerous congressional investigations costing many millions and have found nothing. After decades of drip, drip, drip of innuendo and lies people believe it.
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