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bobby123
post Sun, 14 Jan 2018 - 15:15
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Hi everyone I'm back! unfortunately,

A PCN was received from parking charge management on 06/11/17. This was ignored. It was stuck on the windscreen of the car - see photos. They've sent one other reminder PCN between then and now. Another reminder was given two days ago. I was unaware about any of this as my parents did not tell me otherwise I would have appealed. Can we do anything now? They have received NO correspondence from us what so ever, can I still appeal? The letter states I can't because its been more then 28 days.

I've attached further photos for information, if anything else is needed please ask. The photos of the car is what parking charge management have provided as evidence.

Thank you for your help in advance.

P.s. forgot to mention they were visiting family. Not sure if this infos needed



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post Sun, 14 Jan 2018 - 18:49
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It's the first letter that was received that is required, that will determine if the keeper can be held liable. Can you pist it up please
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post Mon, 15 Jan 2018 - 00:12
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QUOTE (ostell @ Sun, 14 Jan 2018 - 18:49) *
It's the first letter that was received that is required, that will determine if the keeper can be held liable. Can you pist it up please


Hi these are the only two letters we have. The other letter was ripped and binned without it even being read.
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post Mon, 15 Jan 2018 - 08:19
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Doesn't help much !!

The second letter makes no mention of Keeper liability under POFA. As such feel free to blog it and writ a BOGOFF letter (search it) saying they did not comply with the requirements of paragraph 8 of POFA to be able to hold the keeper liable. You have no legal requirement to name the driver and will not be doing so. You do not expect to hear from them again.

That sign looks stuck ona building but your car (the blue one ?) is parked on a road. Not exactly apparent that the sign applies to that road. Check with the council about the status of the road ie is it an adopted road. If the ticket was issued at night then how cn you see the sign if it is not illuminated. Were there any markings showing the area as restricted, ie double yellows or hatchings. The place of parking needs to be included. Montague road estate is not definitive enough.
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post Mon, 15 Jan 2018 - 14:11
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+1

Google Maps doesn't find that location.


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post Mon, 15 Jan 2018 - 15:42
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QUOTE (ostell @ Mon, 15 Jan 2018 - 08:19) *
Doesn't help much !!

The second letter makes no mention of Keeper liability under POFA. As such feel free to blog it and writ a BOGOFF letter (search it) saying they did not comply with the requirements of paragraph 8 of POFA to be able to hold the keeper liable. You have no legal requirement to name the driver and will not be doing so. You do not expect to hear from them again.

That sign looks stuck ona building but your car (the blue one ?) is parked on a road. Not exactly apparent that the sign applies to that road. Check with the council about the status of the road ie is it an adopted road. If the ticket was issued at night then how cn you see the sign if it is not illuminated. Were there any markings showing the area as restricted, ie double yellows or hatchings. The place of parking needs to be included. Montague road estate is not definitive enough.


Hi,

There are no road markings such as double yellows or hatching's. Would it be helpful if I was to go and take more photos for you guys? PCM have included more photos but I did not put it up here. I will give the council a call and see what happens. What does an "adopted road" mean?

Also I agree. How can the sign be seen at night. It is not illuminated.

QUOTE (ostell @ Mon, 15 Jan 2018 - 08:19) *
Doesn't help much !!

The second letter makes no mention of Keeper liability under POFA. As such feel free to blog it and writ a BOGOFF letter (search it) saying they did not comply with the requirements of paragraph 8 of POFA to be able to hold the keeper liable. You have no legal requirement to name the driver and will not be doing so. You do not expect to hear from them again.

That sign looks stuck ona building but your car (the blue one ?) is parked on a road. Not exactly apparent that the sign applies to that road. Check with the council about the status of the road ie is it an adopted road. If the ticket was issued at night then how cn you see the sign if it is not illuminated. Were there any markings showing the area as restricted, ie double yellows or hatchings. The place of parking needs to be included. Montague road estate is not definitive enough.


I've added more photos in regards to hatchings

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Google Maps doesn't find that location.


I've added more photos - no hatchings.
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post Mon, 15 Jan 2018 - 16:03
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It really would be helpful to see a GSV link. Much can be gleaned from Google Maps.

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What does an "adopted road" mean?


An adopted road is one taken over or adopted by the Local Authority and maintained at public expense.


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post Tue, 16 Jan 2018 - 05:19
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QUOTE (cabbyman @ Mon, 15 Jan 2018 - 16:03) *
It really would be helpful to see a GSV link. Much can be gleaned from Google Maps.

QUOTE (bobby123 @ Mon, 15 Jan 2018 - 15:42) *
What does an "adopted road" mean?


An adopted road is one taken over or adopted by the Local Authority and maintained at public expense.


Hi,

The road parked on was


Pentland Close
Edmonton
N9 0XN

QUOTE (ostell @ Mon, 15 Jan 2018 - 08:19) *
Doesn't help much !!

The second letter makes no mention of Keeper liability under POFA. As such feel free to blog it and writ a BOGOFF letter (search it) saying they did not comply with the requirements of paragraph 8 of POFA to be able to hold the keeper liable. You have no legal requirement to name the driver and will not be doing so. You do not expect to hear from them again.

That sign looks stuck ona building but your car (the blue one ?) is parked on a road. Not exactly apparent that the sign applies to that road. Check with the council about the status of the road ie is it an adopted road. If the ticket was issued at night then how cn you see the sign if it is not illuminated. Were there any markings showing the area as restricted, ie double yellows or hatchings. The place of parking needs to be included. Montague road estate is not definitive enough.



Hey,

See post below for postcode and let me know if it helps. I'll contact council tomorrow. On night shifts at the moment.
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post Tue, 16 Jan 2018 - 20:14
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That looks very much like an adopted road. The council will confirm.

If the council confirm adoption, you may like to slip into the conversation that a private company is attempting to enforce parking restrictions!!! Or, maybe save that gem for a bit further down the line!


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post Tue, 16 Jan 2018 - 21:18
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QUOTE (cabbyman @ Tue, 16 Jan 2018 - 20:14) *
That looks very much like an adopted road. The council will confirm.

If the council confirm adoption, you may like to slip into the conversation that a private company is attempting to enforce parking restrictions!!! Or, maybe save that gem for a bit further down the line!


Thank you. I will call the council (hopefully tomorrow) and ask. If it is, I'm guessing nothing can be enforced via parking control management?
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post Tue, 16 Jan 2018 - 23:23
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Councils can’t outsource in this way.
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post Thu, 18 Jan 2018 - 16:19
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QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Tue, 16 Jan 2018 - 23:23) *
Councils can’t outsource in this way.


Hi,

The council are sending me a map of the private vs non private roads which are colour coded. It's all in hard copy so their having to scan it etc to email me. Some of those roads are private, some are not. The person I spoke to tried to find the owners of the road etc to help but said he wasn't able to.


I've noticed that the address on the PCN is wrong - they haven't specified the actual road name. Just said it's an estate which covers a lot of ground Is this further grounds for appeal?

I will check if the road was private or not and update asap.



QUOTE (ostell @ Mon, 15 Jan 2018 - 08:19) *
Doesn't help much !!

The second letter makes no mention of Keeper liability under POFA. As such feel free to blog it and writ a BOGOFF letter (search it) saying they did not comply with the requirements of paragraph 8 of POFA to be able to hold the keeper liable. You have no legal requirement to name the driver and will not be doing so. You do not expect to hear from them again.

That sign looks stuck ona building but your car (the blue one ?) is parked on a road. Not exactly apparent that the sign applies to that road. Check with the council about the status of the road ie is it an adopted road. If the ticket was issued at night then how cn you see the sign if it is not illuminated. Were there any markings showing the area as restricted, ie double yellows or hatchings. The place of parking needs to be included. Montague road estate is not definitive enough.


Hi please see the most recent message I have posted.

QUOTE (cabbyman @ Tue, 16 Jan 2018 - 20:14) *
That looks very much like an adopted road. The council will confirm.

If the council confirm adoption, you may like to slip into the conversation that a private company is attempting to enforce parking restrictions!!! Or, maybe save that gem for a bit further down the line!


Hi,

please see the most recent message I have posted.
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bobby123
post Thu, 18 Jan 2018 - 16:35
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Just received info from council - all those roads are controlled by private companies.

What do I do now? Does anybody know?

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post Thu, 18 Jan 2018 - 20:08
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If you missed the appeal window, now ignore the debt collector letters, like everyone here cheerfully does.

Come back if PCM get Gladstones to send a LBCCC - needs a robust reply, as you will see all over here and on MSE parking forum too.

Likely to get a claim anyway, but you are likely to win (unlit signs/unmarked road being very relevant in defence)
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post Thu, 18 Jan 2018 - 20:08
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Bogoff letter. Failure to comply with Para 8. Also, you can now add vague locus.

Draft your letter and post it here for checking.


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post Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 03:50
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QUOTE (cabbyman @ Thu, 18 Jan 2018 - 20:08) *
Bogoff letter. Failure to comply with Para 8. Also, you can now add vague locus.

Draft your letter and post it here for checking.


Hi I'm unaware as to what a BOGOFF letter is. Could you please explain? Also are there any drafts I could follow? Is there anything I need to say in particular?


Thank you for your help
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post Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 07:54
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QUOTE (bobby123 @ Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 03:50) *
Hi I'm unaware as to what a BOGOFF letter is. Could you please explain? Also are there any drafts I could follow? Is there anything I need to say in particular?

Why not do a search ?
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post Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 08:26
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@ostell

BOGOFF seems to suggest the OP is asking for more tickets. Perhaps you might want to give an alternative link to the one I've provided

https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/BOGOFF
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post Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 09:38
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A search in the forum perhaps?

It just shows failure to get out of his own thread and wants to be spoon fed.
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post Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 17:02
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QUOTE (ostell @ Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 09:38) *
A search in the forum perhaps?

It just shows failure to get out of his own thread and wants to be spoon fed.



Hi that was not my intention. I will do some research before asking questions again.
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