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PCN Issued ANPR Photo Not Clear
doublej
post Mon, 10 Dec 2018 - 17:53
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Hi Gang,

The photographic evidence from an ANPR camera supplied with a PCN today appear to be inconclusive.

There is a photograph of the whole car entering the car park (front of the car) , time stamped, number plate readable. There is also a zoomed (enhanced?) photo of just the number plate.

There is a photograph of the whole car leaving the car park (rear of the car), time stamped, number plate unreadable. There is also a zoomed (enhanced?) photo of a number plate, purporting to be from the rear of my car, where the number is clearly visible.






Questions :

- Is there a separate camera that snaps the plate ? Or is this cropped and zoomed ? How are these tied to the timestamp photo of the car ?
- Are they allowed to use any image enhancement ?
- Might they have better quality image that they are not sharing ?


Thanks all.

JJ

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post Mon, 10 Dec 2018 - 17:57
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QUOTE (doublej @ Mon, 10 Dec 2018 - 17:53) *
Might they have better quality image that they are not sharing ?


Showing what?


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post Mon, 10 Dec 2018 - 18:07
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Presumably the rear plate (enhanced) photo shows a yellow plate? You could ask them for any data they have via a subject access request. I don't know how they link the timestamps of different photos, but I would be interested to find out as the plate photos are not timestamped it appears.
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post Mon, 10 Dec 2018 - 18:36
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Which PPC?


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post Mon, 10 Dec 2018 - 22:29
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Yes, ANPR equipment handles the number plate separately usually with infrared
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doublej
post Mon, 10 Dec 2018 - 22:32
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> Showing what?

A picture that puts the rear plate on the car. The rear picture does not do that.


> Presumably the rear plate (enhanced) photo shows a yellow plate?

It's not yellow in the 'enhanced' photo :-)


> Which PPC?

It's Total Parking Solutions

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Yes, ANPR equipment handles the number plate separately usually with infrared


ahhhh....thats that then.

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Any further thoughts ?
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post Tue, 11 Dec 2018 - 19:44
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About what?


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post Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 08:58
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DO you think, on the balance of probability, they have sufficient photographic evidence ?

Should I at a different approach to appeal ?


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post Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 09:18
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The approach you should be taking is was the PCN sufficiently compliant with POFA to hold the keeper liable?
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post Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 09:32
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On balance of probability they have more than enough evidence unless you can (truthfully) deny your car was there when I judge would have to balance the evidence and decide. (Do you understand what balance of probability means?)

Concentrate on real points not imaginary ones.


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What contravention are they alleging? At the moment, all we know is that a Mercedes drove in and out of an area as observed by ANPR.

Hen's teeth are easier to find & pull than getting the FULL story on this thread!



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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 09:32) *
(Do you understand what balance of probability means?)


Thank you, yes.


QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 09:32) *
Concentrate on real points not imaginary ones.


I don't know what you mean by this, but thank you all the same.

JJ






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post Thu, 13 Dec 2018 - 10:06
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Well it was fairly obviouis given the contexxt - that you were concentrating on a "point" that doesnt exist. Its not real. Its imaginary

Answer 12.
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post Thu, 13 Dec 2018 - 18:45
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Concentrate on real points not imaginary ones.

I don't know what you mean by this, but thank you all the same.


All you need to do is Google TPS POPLA and you will see how to set out a long POPLA appeal, and what to look for in the wording and date of the NTK (was it a POFA one, in wording and date served?). You can check this yourself by reading para 9 of Schedule 4 of the POFA - there is a link on the MSE NEWBIES thread on that forum, or you can Google it.

The Act is really easy to read. Please no saying you don't know what to look for, I can't stand it when people type that, when the words are pretty much all one syllable in the POFA Schedule 4, para 9. Easy to check, and all explained in the MSE NEWBIES thread, or in any TPS POPLA thread from 2018 you care to read by Googling.

Usually these are about an alleged overstay in a retail park and are easy to cancel by complaining to the retailers. What happened when you tried that first, as anyone would, if this is a retail park?
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