PCN Issued ANPR Photo Not Clear |
PCN Issued ANPR Photo Not Clear |
Mon, 10 Dec 2018 - 17:53
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Member Group: Members Posts: 148 Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Member No.: 820 |
Hi Gang,
The photographic evidence from an ANPR camera supplied with a PCN today appear to be inconclusive. There is a photograph of the whole car entering the car park (front of the car) , time stamped, number plate readable. There is also a zoomed (enhanced?) photo of just the number plate. There is a photograph of the whole car leaving the car park (rear of the car), time stamped, number plate unreadable. There is also a zoomed (enhanced?) photo of a number plate, purporting to be from the rear of my car, where the number is clearly visible. Questions : - Is there a separate camera that snaps the plate ? Or is this cropped and zoomed ? How are these tied to the timestamp photo of the car ? - Are they allowed to use any image enhancement ? - Might they have better quality image that they are not sharing ? Thanks all. JJ This post has been edited by doublej: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 - 17:55 |
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Mon, 10 Dec 2018 - 17:57
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,735 Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Member No.: 14,720 |
Might they have better quality image that they are not sharing ? Showing what? -------------------- |
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Mon, 10 Dec 2018 - 18:07
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Member Group: Members Posts: 51 Joined: 21 Apr 2018 Member No.: 97,620 |
Presumably the rear plate (enhanced) photo shows a yellow plate? You could ask them for any data they have via a subject access request. I don't know how they link the timestamps of different photos, but I would be interested to find out as the plate photos are not timestamped it appears.
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Mon, 10 Dec 2018 - 18:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,898 Joined: 15 Dec 2007 From: South of John O'Groats, north of Cape Town. Member No.: 16,066 |
Which PPC?
-------------------- Cabbyman 11 PPCs 0
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Mon, 10 Dec 2018 - 22:29
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17,088 Joined: 8 Mar 2013 Member No.: 60,457 |
Yes, ANPR equipment handles the number plate separately usually with infrared
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Mon, 10 Dec 2018 - 22:32
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Member Group: Members Posts: 148 Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Member No.: 820 |
> Showing what?
A picture that puts the rear plate on the car. The rear picture does not do that. > Presumably the rear plate (enhanced) photo shows a yellow plate? It's not yellow in the 'enhanced' photo :-) > Which PPC? It's Total Parking Solutions Yes, ANPR equipment handles the number plate separately usually with infrared ahhhh....thats that then. This post has been edited by doublej: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 - 22:31 |
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Tue, 11 Dec 2018 - 19:01
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Member Group: Members Posts: 148 Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Member No.: 820 |
Any further thoughts ?
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Tue, 11 Dec 2018 - 19:44
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,898 Joined: 15 Dec 2007 From: South of John O'Groats, north of Cape Town. Member No.: 16,066 |
About what?
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Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 08:58
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Member Group: Members Posts: 148 Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Member No.: 820 |
DO you think, on the balance of probability, they have sufficient photographic evidence ?
Should I at a different approach to appeal ? JJ |
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Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 09:18
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17,088 Joined: 8 Mar 2013 Member No.: 60,457 |
The approach you should be taking is was the PCN sufficiently compliant with POFA to hold the keeper liable?
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Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 09:32
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
On balance of probability they have more than enough evidence unless you can (truthfully) deny your car was there when I judge would have to balance the evidence and decide. (Do you understand what balance of probability means?)
Concentrate on real points not imaginary ones. -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 15:03
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,898 Joined: 15 Dec 2007 From: South of John O'Groats, north of Cape Town. Member No.: 16,066 |
What contravention are they alleging? At the moment, all we know is that a Mercedes drove in and out of an area as observed by ANPR.
Hen's teeth are easier to find & pull than getting the FULL story on this thread! -------------------- Cabbyman 11 PPCs 0
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Thu, 13 Dec 2018 - 09:51
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Member Group: Members Posts: 148 Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Member No.: 820 |
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Thu, 13 Dec 2018 - 10:06
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Member Group: Members Posts: 28,687 Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Member No.: 15,642 |
Well it was fairly obviouis given the contexxt - that you were concentrating on a "point" that doesnt exist. Its not real. Its imaginary
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Thu, 13 Dec 2018 - 18:45
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Member Group: Members Posts: 18,751 Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Member No.: 32,130 |
QUOTE Concentrate on real points not imaginary ones. I don't know what you mean by this, but thank you all the same. All you need to do is Google TPS POPLA and you will see how to set out a long POPLA appeal, and what to look for in the wording and date of the NTK (was it a POFA one, in wording and date served?). You can check this yourself by reading para 9 of Schedule 4 of the POFA - there is a link on the MSE NEWBIES thread on that forum, or you can Google it. The Act is really easy to read. Please no saying you don't know what to look for, I can't stand it when people type that, when the words are pretty much all one syllable in the POFA Schedule 4, para 9. Easy to check, and all explained in the MSE NEWBIES thread, or in any TPS POPLA thread from 2018 you care to read by Googling. Usually these are about an alleged overstay in a retail park and are easy to cancel by complaining to the retailers. What happened when you tried that first, as anyone would, if this is a retail park? |
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