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Posted by: MFM Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 07:53
Post #1314150

I drove behind another car on the motorway this morning who opened his window, emptied a can of drink which sprayed all over my car, then threw the can out of the window which hit my car at 70mph leaving a nice deep mark on my front bumper with the paint taken off.

I pulled up alongside him gesticulating to pull over but he just shrugged and sped off. Not only that, but I have probably never seen anyone with such atrocious driving skills. Weaving in and out of traffic without indicating, driving right up the backside of other cars and undertaking and squeezing into gaps where other motorists have to brake to avoid a collision.

I reported him to the police who weren't interested in the slightest. They just said to go through my insurance. I rang my insurance who said it would go down as a fault claim as there's little chance they'd be able to recover the costs from the 3rd party insurer.

What a just world we live in...

Posted by: fedup2 Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 07:54
Post #1314151

Whats the whole story?

Posted by: MFM Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 07:57
Post #1314152

QUOTE (fedup2 @ Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 08:54) *
Whats the whole story?


What's the whole story what?

Posted by: Fredd Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 08:58
Post #1314167

In Fedup's bizarre world it'll probably have been your fault for doing something to cause the driver in front to defend themselves/driving too close to skilfully avoid the spray and can/shown yourself to be despicable by grassing up another motorist/some other work of fiction. I know, humour him.

Posted by: whitewing Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 08:59
Post #1314168

That's what dashcams are for. So cheap nowadays that it's a no-brainer to get one.

Posted by: fedup2 Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 09:27
Post #1314172

QUOTE (whitewing @ Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 09:59) *
That's what dashcams are for. So cheap nowadays that it's a no-brainer to get one.


The problem with them is we get to see both sides of the story and more often than not it often goes against the poster who posts them.

If a can or its contents can hit you while travelling behind another vehicle my money is on the distance between the cars wasnt much.Maybe that was the message?
we will never know,that possibility would be far too bazar to even consider.









Posted by: samthecat Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 10:05
Post #1314180

QUOTE (fedup2 @ Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 10:27) *
possibility would be far too bazar to even consider.

Like this?

Posted by: Fredd Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 10:10
Post #1314182

QUOTE (Fredd @ Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 09:58) *
In Fedup's bizarre world it'll probably have been your fault for doing something to cause the driver in front to defend themselves/driving too close to skilfully avoid the spray and can/shown yourself to be despicable by grassing up another motorist/some other work of fiction.


QUOTE (fedup2 @ Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 10:27) *
If a can or its contents can hit you while travelling behind another vehicle my money is on the distance between the cars wasnt much


There you go. sign10.gif

Posted by: Neil B Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 10:51
Post #1314189

QUOTE (Fredd @ Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 11:10) *
QUOTE (Fredd @ Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 09:58) *
In Fedup's bizarre world it'll probably have been your fault for doing something to cause the driver in front to defend themselves/driving too close to skilfully avoid the spray and can/shown yourself to be despicable by grassing up another motorist/some other work of fiction.


QUOTE (fedup2 @ Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 10:27) *
If a can or its contents can hit you while travelling behind another vehicle my money is on the distance between the cars wasnt much


There you go. sign10.gif

You don't even need a crystal ball !

Posted by: The Rookie Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 11:15
Post #1314196

Just to have read 2 or 3 of his previous posts.

I'm sure FU2 can come up with some blame on my part when the women reversed into my car when it was parked (and had been for 30 minutes) on the road outside my house (Yes I was indoors at the time).

Posted by: southpaw82 Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 12:12
Post #1314214

So if a car is following too closely behind me (in my opinion) I can hoof something at it out the window? Magic!

Posted by: paulajayne Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 12:15
Post #1314217

QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 12:15) *
Just to have read 2 or 3 of his previous posts.

I'm sure FU2 can come up with some blame on my part when the women reversed into my car when it was parked (and had been for 30 minutes) on the road outside my house (Yes I was indoors at the time).



Should not have parked it were it could be hit. laugh.gif

Posted by: glasgow_bhoy Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 20:15
Post #1314340

QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 13:12) *
So if a car is following too closely behind me (in my opinion) I can hoof something at it out the window? Magic!

Fedup might be coming at it from the angle that the other driver didn't intentionally throw the can out at the OP, but instead was just clearing out his car and the OP happened to be behind him. Had MFM been further back, he wouldn't have been hit.



Posted by: Fredd Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 20:41
Post #1314354

Just how big a gap do you think you'd have to leave to guarantee being able to stop or change lane in the event that something was chucked out of the vehicle ahead?

Posted by: fedup2 Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 21:30
Post #1314373

QUOTE (Fredd @ Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 21:41) *
Just how big a gap do you think you'd have to leave to guarantee being able to stop or change lane in the event that something was chucked out of the vehicle ahead?


Or you could ask how far do you think spray from a can would travel blowing in high winds? Or how far do you think an empty aluminium can would travel before it got to ground level and wasnt a threat to anything.The answer IS not far, and id certainly not be close enough on a motorway for it to have an effect.But im still sceptical that there wasnt a motive for doing it in the first place.Of course that wont be admitted here,after all we dont want to be upsetting the little clique.

My advice is to buy a can of pop and see if you can empty it out of a vehicles window and succeed in getting it much further than all over the window your poking it out of and covering the side of the vehicle.After that there wont be alot left never mind hit someone else following at a safe distance.

Maybe someone can video it,then we can ALL see the truth, but careful not to get the lense covered as it will blow INWARDS not backwards hundreds of feet.




Posted by: DancingDad Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 22:22
Post #1314381

Number of times I've bin behind someone on motorway... at reasonable distance and got the overspray from their windscreen washers.
Seems that spray from a can could do the same.
Back in my youth, opening a can out of the window of a moving car coated the screen of a following car, again he wasn't tailgating (but was annoyed)
If a can stays airborne, a car at motorway speeds is potentially closing on it at up to 70MPH, make a clang if nothing else.... and can/will bounce

Mythbusters episode 138 (March 2010) did some trials on cans and soda pop at speed and whether they could bust a screen with lethal force.
Yes they could break the screen but not with lethal force.

Posted by: MFM Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 06:46
Post #1314406

QUOTE (fedup2 @ Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 10:27) *
If a can or its contents can hit you while travelling behind another vehicle my money is on the distance between the cars wasnt much.


Quite the opposite. I left a bigger than usual gap because of the way the idiot was driving. Guess what, a can can fly quite a distance when chucked out at 70mph.

You are quite the special one. Lol

Actually, I've got a good idea. Why don't you drive behind me and I'll throw a few cans out(maybe a brick or two as well). We'll see when it stops hitting your car and then look at the distance between us?

Posted by: fedup2 Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 07:20
Post #1314408

QUOTE (MFM @ Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 07:46) *
QUOTE (fedup2 @ Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 10:27) *
If a can or its contents can hit you while travelling behind another vehicle my money is on the distance between the cars wasnt much.


Quite the opposite. I left a bigger than usual gap because of the way the idiot was driving. Guess what, a can can fly quite a distance when chucked out at 70mph.

You are quite the special one. Lol

Actually, I've got a good idea. Why don't you drive behind me and I'll throw a few cans out(maybe a brick or two as well). We'll see when it stops hitting your car and then look at the distance between us?



Like i said,tell us the WHOLE story! Its coming.......


Posted by: MFM Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 07:36
Post #1314409

QUOTE (fedup2 @ Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 08:20) *
Like i said,tell us the WHOLE story! Its coming.......


Only in your special little world.

Going to take me up on my offer?

Posted by: fedup2 Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 07:57
Post #1314412

QUOTE (MFM @ Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 08:36) *
QUOTE (fedup2 @ Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 08:20) *
Like i said,tell us the WHOLE story! Its coming.......


Only in your special little world.

Going to take me up on my offer?


so what was the 'idiot' doing?

Posted by: MFM Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 08:39
Post #1314417

QUOTE (fedup2 @ Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 08:57) *
so what was the 'idiot' doing?


Read the first post.

Posted by: fedup2 Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 08:59
Post #1314423

QUOTE (MFM @ Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 09:39) *
QUOTE (fedup2 @ Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 08:57) *
so what was the 'idiot' doing?


Read the first post.


I have but its evolving.....so tell us the Whole story........

"drove behind another car on the motorway this morning who opened his window, emptied a can of drink which sprayed all over my car, then threw the can out of the window "


" I left a bigger than usual gap because of the way the idiot was driving"


Posted by: MFM Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 09:03
Post #1314425

QUOTE (fedup2 @ Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 09:59) *
I have but its evolving.....so tell us the Whole story........

"drove behind another car on the motorway this morning who opened his window, emptied a can of drink which sprayed all over my car, then threw the can out of the window "


" I left a bigger than usual gap because of the way the idiot was driving"


No you haven't. Since you are incapable of reading the few lines in my OP, I'll go through the trouble of quoting the relevant bit for you... If that doesn't make it clear to you it's probably best you find another post to troll.

"Not only that, but I have probably never seen anyone with such atrocious driving skills. Weaving in and out of traffic without indicating, driving right up the backside of other cars and undertaking and squeezing into gaps where other motorists have to brake to avoid a collision".

Posted by: fedup2 Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 09:07
Post #1314426

Sounds like you got your self into a little road rage to me and the result was him throwing objects at you.


Posted by: Fredd Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 09:11
Post #1314427

QUOTE (Fredd @ Thu, 7 Sep 2017 - 09:58) *
In Fedup's bizarre world it'll probably have been your fault for doing something to cause the driver in front to defend themselves2/driving too close to skilfully avoid the spray and can1/shown yourself to be despicable by grassing up another motorist/some other work of fiction. I know, humour him.



QUOTE (fedup2 @ Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 10:07) *
Sounds like you got your self into a little road rage to me and the result was him throwing objects at you.


Going to go for the hat-trick? sign10.gif

Posted by: The Rookie Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 08:22
Post #1314685

Physics isn't it, a mist of liquid will easily hang in the air for the 2 seconds between vehicles, of course FU2 is a bit like DJT, science is only right if it agrees with his preconceived hunches.

QUOTE (Fredd @ Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 10:11) *
QUOTE (fedup2 @ Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 10:07) *
Sounds like you got your self into a little road rage to me and the result was him throwing objects at you.


Going to go for the hat-trick? sign10.gif

I do hope you don't (have to) ban him, he's funnier than the joke thread!

Posted by: fedup2 Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 10:05
Post #1314707

Ban for what suggesting that we havnt got the whole story? Take the blinkers off your high horse and its obvious to see that we havnt.

we have gone from man tips out can for no reason to the OP miraclessly being behind the vehicle who was ....

"Weaving in and out of traffic without indicating, driving right up the backside of other cars and undertaking and squeezing into gaps where other motorists have to brake to avoid a collision".


So far we have half the story,but still havnt got it all.I was right in suggesting there was more to the story and there WAS and still is.If folk want to ignore the facts then it bothers me not one jot.Some really need to grow up.







Posted by: Fredd Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 10:38
Post #1314718

We haven't "gone from" anything - all that is in the first post. For some reason known only to yourself you ignored that and treated it as news when it was subsequently pointed out. It's almost as if you're re-imagining the thread to support some threadbare theory...

Posted by: The Rookie Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 10:46
Post #1314721

Are you for real?

Just look at the sides of the Mway, they are littered with cans and bottles, you think they were ALL thrown as a result of road rage incidents and not just morons outing themselves in a different way?

Posted by: fedup2 Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 10:54
Post #1314723

QUOTE (The Rookie @ Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 11:46) *
Are you for real?

Just look at the sides of the Mway, they are littered with cans and bottles, you think they were ALL thrown as a result of road rage incidents and not just morons outing themselves in a different way?


Ha ha keep on topic ............



How do you suppose the op managed to get behind a vehicle ......

"Weaving in and out of traffic without indicating, driving right up the backside of other cars and undertaking and squeezing into gaps where other motorists have to brake to avoid a collision".

And if you cant work that out then ask why you would be.Most wouldnt!









Posted by: The Rookie Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 11:17
Post #1314732

Ohh, that's tough, how about the guy weaved across in front of him.....really anyone with an IQ of over 90 should figure that one out!

Posted by: seank Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 11:17
Post #1314733

What a very strange thread.
An OP posts a legitimate question and most of the replies are focussed on having a go at FU2.
Most of his previous posts seem to go ignored, so I wonder what changed here.

To get back on topic, MFM, if you have the other vehicle's reg, why not pay DVLA £2 and get the RK's address?
You may be successful in a civil claim against the RK via www.moneyclaim.gov.uk

Posted by: fedup2 Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 13:56
Post #1314759

QUOTE (The Rookie @ Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 12:17) *
Ohh, that's tough, how about the guy weaved across in front of him.....really anyone with an IQ of over 90 should figure that one out!


Hopefully the op will come back and give the WHOLE story lol

Then nobody has to guess.Something ive been asking for since post 2.

Posted by: Neil B Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 16:19
Post #1314778

Once upon a time, in a fairyland far away ------

Posted by: oldstoat Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 18:39
Post #1314787

Re spray from a can from a side window and spray from a windscreen washer. I have to agree with FU2 on this, it is a simple matter of aerodynamics. Pour a can out of the side window, most will end up all over the rear door and window, because it is being poured out from a can. The wash liquid is being sprayed onto the windscreen and taken over probably the most aerodynamic part of the vehicle, Therefore, it is quite easy to see how a can emptied will not reach a car travelling behind, where as the wash wipe liquid will

Posted by: Fredd Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 19:16
Post #1314793

It will indeed be entrained in the airflow down the side of the vehicle, and turbulence where the flow detaches will spray some over the rear windscreen, but what do you suppose happens to it after that? Guess what, it'll splatter whatever's behind.

Posted by: Tartarus Sun, 10 Sep 2017 - 20:23
Post #1315014

No where in the OP post does he say that the bad driver was performing these manoeuvres before or after having the can come at him. If the can was one of the first actions...

Posted by: glasgow_bhoy Sun, 10 Sep 2017 - 22:34
Post #1315067

QUOTE (MFM @ Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 10:03) *
QUOTE (fedup2 @ Fri, 8 Sep 2017 - 09:59) *
I have but its evolving.....so tell us the Whole story........

"drove behind another car on the motorway this morning who opened his window, emptied a can of drink which sprayed all over my car, then threw the can out of the window "


" I left a bigger than usual gap because of the way the idiot was driving"


No you haven't. Since you are incapable of reading the few lines in my OP, I'll go through the trouble of quoting the relevant bit for you... If that doesn't make it clear to you it's probably best you find another post to troll.

"Not only that, but I have probably never seen anyone with such atrocious driving skills. Weaving in and out of traffic without indicating, driving right up the backside of other cars and undertaking and squeezing into gaps where other motorists have to brake to avoid a collision".

How come you were managing to keep up with him if he was driving in the manner described above?

Posted by: MFM Mon, 11 Sep 2017 - 08:04
Post #1315093

QUOTE (glasgow_bhoy @ Sun, 10 Sep 2017 - 23:34) *
How come you were managing to keep up with him if he was driving in the manner described above?


I do find a lot of the questions in this thread bizarre. I think a lot of you spend way too much time on here looking for conspiracies. Makes me scared to post anything in the Speeding section if I ever need to as all the time is spent satisfying your own fantasies rather than concentrating on what was asked.

Posted by: The Rookie Mon, 11 Sep 2017 - 08:28
Post #1315104

QUOTE (MFM @ Mon, 11 Sep 2017 - 09:04) *
QUOTE (glasgow_bhoy @ Sun, 10 Sep 2017 - 23:34) *
How come you were managing to keep up with him if he was driving in the manner described above?


I do find a lot of the questions in this thread bizarre. I think a lot of you spend way too much time on here looking for conspiracies. Makes me scared to post anything in the Speeding section if I ever need to as all the time is spent satisfying your own fantasies rather than concentrating on what was asked.

We need a thumbs up button!

As for fantasies, that's between me and the misses.

Posted by: fedup2 Mon, 11 Sep 2017 - 08:30
Post #1315107

QUOTE (MFM @ Mon, 11 Sep 2017 - 09:04) *
QUOTE (glasgow_bhoy @ Sun, 10 Sep 2017 - 23:34) *
How come you were managing to keep up with him if he was driving in the manner described above?


I do find a lot of the questions in this thread bizarre. I think a lot of you spend way too much time on here looking for conspiracies. Makes me scared to post anything in the Speeding section if I ever need to as all the time is spent satisfying your own fantasies rather than concentrating on what was asked.


What did you ask?It seems to have got lost in the bullying.

Why not answer some of the questions YOU have been asked then folk can be properly informed to give an answer.

Posted by: MFM Mon, 11 Sep 2017 - 10:19
Post #1315135

QUOTE (fedup2 @ Mon, 11 Sep 2017 - 09:30) *
Why not answer some of the questions YOU have been asked then folk can be properly informed to give an answer.


You mean make up answers to your strange loaded questions just so you can shut up already? Lol

You sure know how to overstay your welcome in a thread.

Posted by: oldstoat Mon, 11 Sep 2017 - 12:58
Post #1315179

With regards to Fedup's post I can actually see where he is coming from

You post
I drove behind another car on the motorway this morning who opened his window, emptied a can of drink which sprayed all over my car, then threw the can out of the window which hit my car at 70mph leaving a nice deep mark on my front bumper with the paint taken off.

So question 1. Was that the first interaction with this other vehicle? I ask because you then post

I pulled up alongside him gesticulating to pull over but he just shrugged and sped off.

Which makes your next statement seem as if you had been interacting either by being close or just watching, whilst being behind. But your statement, begs the question, if his driving had been so appalling, how is it that you where still behind the car?

Not only that, but I have probably never seen anyone with such atrocious driving skills. Weaving in and out of traffic without indicating, driving right up the backside of other cars and undertaking and squeezing into gaps where other motorists have to brake to avoid a collision.

If this other driver had, and by implication, he must have been ahead of you at all times, otherwise you could not have observed his poor driving, how did you end up behind him? I presume you drove in a proper manner and therefore would have been left far behind by this idiot.

this idiot driver must, by their stupid driving, have made progress and increased any distance between you and them. So the fact that a can thrown from this idiot could have hit your car, must mean you had somehow (whilst driving perfectly correctly) kept within a distance that allowed this incident to occur

Posted by: MFM Mon, 11 Sep 2017 - 14:36
Post #1315217

QUOTE (oldstoat @ Mon, 11 Sep 2017 - 13:58) *
So question 1. Was that the first interaction with this other vehicle?


I was in the outside lane and saw him coming up behind me, so moved into the middle lane to let him past.

QUOTE (oldstoat @ Mon, 11 Sep 2017 - 13:58) *
Which makes your next statement seem as if you had been interacting either by being close or just watching, whilst being behind. But your statement, begs the question, if his driving had been so appalling, how is it that you where still behind the car?


After he moved past me, I returned to outside lane and was behind him. At this point he was tailgating the vehicle in front of him even though there was nowhere for that vehicle to go. He then swerved to the inside line trying to undertake the vehicle in front of him, couldn't get past so moved back behind the same vehicle in the outside lane. Seeing the way he was driving, I kept my distance at which point he stuck his arm out of the window, emptied his can of drink and then proceeded to throw it out which then hit my car.

At this point I closed the gap and signaled for him to move over, which he did, which is when I pointed out for him to pull over. He obviously didn't, and then sped off in the middle lane and continued his antics. Just because I wasn't right behind him from then on does that mean I couldn't see the way he was driving? Also since it's a busy motorway he made slow progress and I was watching him for a good while after.

I really hope that answers your questions(fedup2 not included) as that's the whole story. Sorry there isn't a more dramatic twist fedup.

Posted by: oldstoat Mon, 11 Sep 2017 - 18:00
Post #1315288

thanks that does clarify things and makes the sequence clear cheers you are now in fact changing your story.

original post stated the driver was

Weaving in and out of traffic without indicating, driving right up the backside of other cars and undertaking and squeezing into gaps where other motorists have to brake to avoid a collision.


This means he must be making progress in traffic because vehicles where braking to allow them in.

now you state

He then swerved to the inside line trying to undertake the vehicle in front of him, couldn't get past so moved back behind the same vehicle in the outside lane

They are mutually exclusive statements

Posted by: Spandex Mon, 11 Sep 2017 - 22:56
Post #1315387

QUOTE (oldstoat @ Mon, 11 Sep 2017 - 19:00) *
They are mutually exclusive statements

Surely one statement describes his driving over the entire period MFM observed him, while the other describes a specific incident. He's saying the driver undertook on a number of occasions and on one occasion failed to undertake, isn't he?

I suppose it's possible that MFM is drip feeding us information because he actually caused the whole incident. But then it's also possible the whole thing is made up and he wasn't even in his car that day. It's even possible he can't actually drive and doesn't own a car.

In summary, if you don't believe everything he's telling you, why do you believe any of it?

Posted by: MFM Tue, 12 Sep 2017 - 07:10
Post #1315404

QUOTE (Spandex @ Mon, 11 Sep 2017 - 23:56) *
QUOTE (oldstoat @ Mon, 11 Sep 2017 - 19:00) *
They are mutually exclusive statements

Surely one statement describes his driving over the entire period MFM observed him, while the other describes a specific incident. He's saying the driver undertook on a number of occasions and on one occasion failed to undertake, isn't he?

I suppose it's possible that MFM is drip feeding us information because he actually caused the whole incident. But then it's also possible the whole thing is made up and he wasn't even in his car that day. It's even possible he can't actually drive and doesn't own a car.

In summary, if you don't believe everything he's telling you, why do you believe any of it?


Yep indeed. I have nothing better to do with my time than make up stories like this. Oh and the nice new mark/dent I have on my front bumper was actually caused by me reversing up a one way street at 120mph where a polar bear was chasing me and caught up, round house kicked my front bumper and then had babies on my bonnet. It seems this would be a much more believable story to some of you.

Posted by: samthecat Tue, 12 Sep 2017 - 07:29
Post #1315405

QUOTE (MFM @ Tue, 12 Sep 2017 - 08:10) *
Yep indeed. I have nothing better to do with my time than make up stories like this. Oh and the nice new mark/dent I have on my front bumper was actually caused by me reversing up a one way street at 120mph where a polar bear was chasing me and caught up, round house kicked my front bumper and then had babies on my bonnet. It seems this would be a much more believable story to some of you.


That would be a more interesting story, you could keep a cub as a pet! If you don't want it you could give it to me, I'd build it an igloo in the back garden and call him Boris.

I have nothing more to add.

Posted by: southpaw82 Tue, 12 Sep 2017 - 08:04
Post #1315410

This thread is bizarre.

Posted by: oldstoat Tue, 12 Sep 2017 - 08:17
Post #1315411


Surely one statement describes his driving over the entire period MFM observed him, while the other describes a specific incident. He's saying the driver undertook on a number of occasions and on one occasion failed to undertake, isn't he?


The point I am getting at, is that at all times this vehicle MUST have been in front of the OP, otherwise how could he observe the bad driving, undertaking vehicles who brake to let them in. yet when the final manouver is made the victims car ends up directly in front of the OP.

If I was undertaking cars and forcing my way in I would have presumed that my car would be at least two or three cars ahead of the OP's, since I was already ahead of the OP, and had forced my way in front of other vehicles.

Posted by: Fredd Tue, 12 Sep 2017 - 08:22
Post #1315413

QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Tue, 12 Sep 2017 - 09:04) *
This thread is bizarre.

*It's Day 6 in the Big Brother Thread, and MFM thinks he's seeing polar bear cubs on his bonnet. Meanwhile in the Diary Room Fedup tries to polish his latest piece for Infowars."

Posted by: MFM Tue, 12 Sep 2017 - 08:46
Post #1315418

QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Tue, 12 Sep 2017 - 09:04) *
This thread is bizarre.


You're telling me. It seems by the end of it I'll have to compensate the model driver in front of me for not driving more like a cock.

Posted by: DancingDad Tue, 12 Sep 2017 - 11:09
Post #1315474

QUOTE (MFM @ Tue, 12 Sep 2017 - 09:46) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Tue, 12 Sep 2017 - 09:04) *
This thread is bizarre.


You're telling me. It seems by the end of it I'll have to compensate the model driver in front of me for not driving more like a cock.


Quite right too.
Dunno what you were thinking of driving on a motorway where the nutters go to play rolleyes.gif

Posted by: 666 Tue, 12 Sep 2017 - 11:30
Post #1315485

QUOTE (oldstoat @ Tue, 12 Sep 2017 - 09:17) *
The point I am getting at, is that at all times this vehicle MUST have been in front of the OP, otherwise how could he observe the bad driving, undertaking vehicles who brake to let them in.


Mirrors?

Posted by: mickR Tue, 12 Sep 2017 - 22:12
Post #1315651

QUOTE (666 @ Tue, 12 Sep 2017 - 12:30) *
QUOTE (oldstoat @ Tue, 12 Sep 2017 - 09:17) *
The point I am getting at, is that at all times this vehicle MUST have been in front of the OP, otherwise how could he observe the bad driving, undertaking vehicles who brake to let them in.


Mirrors?


I've come across many an old stoat that couldnt be bothered to use their mirrors.

Posted by: Neil B Tue, 12 Sep 2017 - 23:36
Post #1315659

and drivers behaving in the way described by MFM don't usually make much progress do they? Not in a timescale enough
for him not to have witnessed all of the behaviour he describes; particularly on a busy M-way.
Much like the ***** that fly past me at 50 in a 20 zone; they're still the car in front of me when I reach the red light 400m
ahead; got nowhere.

Posted by: The Rookie Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 12:50
Post #1315753

The irony he is that using just the tiniest bit of thought your full description of the events is near enough identical to how I'd imagined it, I guess some posters can't imagine what they can't see beyond the end of their nose.

Posted by: fedup2 Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 13:56
Post #1315767

QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 13:50) *
The irony he is that using just the tiniest bit of thought your full description of the events is near enough identical to how I'd imagined it, I guess some posters can't imagine what they can't see beyond the end of their nose.


Lets use he same principal on other help threads it will save asking alot of 'Bizarre' questions all unnecessary,we can just use our imagination as to what happened.Shame we dont do what we did in the old days and use facts and have no fear of asking for them without ridicule which is the only entry by most on this thread by most,unlike some who genuinely wanted to help,but only armed with the WHOLE and acurate facts.Something that the OP has been very slow and selective with.












Posted by: oldstoat Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 16:41
Post #1315860

and drivers behaving in the way described by MFM don't usually make much progress do they? Not in a timescale enough
for him not to have witnessed all of the behaviour he describes; particularly on a busy M-way.
Much like the ***** that fly past me at 50 in a 20 zone; they're still the car in front of me when I reach the red light 400m
ahead; got nowhere.


But according to MFM this driver was making progress until he ended up in front of the OP, so by logic, he must have been behind all the time till the incident, where he pulled up in front of the OP, so that is a strawman argument


I've come across many an old stoat that couldnt be bothered to use their mirrors

I do not spend my days looking in my rear view mirror, I tend to look at what is going on IN FRONT. Glance in rear or look in rear if making a change of position.

I cannot see how all the supposed observed miscreants manouvers would have been visible to the OP, unless he was in front for the whole time.

I am at no point saying that what happened to the OP was excusable or was warrented, Fedup2 in his original post asked a question, which albeit phrased slightly obsurely, boiled down to a simple question. Had the OP done anything in the timeframe, that may have caused the miscreant to behave the way they did. That simple question has not been answered, due to the welter of other sillyness.

I have no probs with the OP telling it the way they say they saw it. But To the OP, to clear up any confusion.

Did you at anytime whilst observing this miscreant, either in your rear view mirrors or in front, do anything, apart from drive in a safe manner, that would then have caused the miscreant to behave the way they did by throwing the can out?

Posted by: Neil B Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 19:18
Post #1315920

QUOTE (oldstoat @ Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 17:41) *
and drivers behaving in the way described by MFM [b]don't usually make much progress do they? Not in a timescale enough
for him not to have witnessed all of the behaviour he describes
; particularly on a busy M-way.
Much like the ***** that fly past me at 50 in a 20 zone; they're still the car in front of me when I reach the red light 400m
ahead; got nowhere.[/b]

But according to MFM this driver was making progress until he ended up in front of the OP, so by logic, he must have been behind all the time till the incident, where he pulled up in front of the OP, so that is a strawman argument

No, simply no.
QUOTE (oldstoat @ Mon, 11 Sep 2017 - 13:58) *
I presume you drove in a proper manner and therefore would have been left far behind by this idiot.

this idiot driver must, by their stupid driving, have made progress and increased any distance between you and them.

How far?
MFM's description is entirely plausible; why is he being interrogated?

The description itself tells us the alleged offender wasn't making the drastic progress you imagine.

QUOTE (mickR @ Tue, 12 Sep 2017 - 23:12) *
I've come across many an old stoat that couldnt be bothered to use their mirrors.

Or the 'quote' button.

Posted by: oldstoat Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 19:22
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if the quote button worked i would use it but everytime i try it tells me I have unfinished quotes and will not let me post.

plus this IS the Flame Pit. So seems entirely reasonable to be asking questions of the poster

Posted by: MFM Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 08:20
Post #1315990

QUOTE (oldstoat @ Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 17:41) *
I have no probs with the OP telling it the way they say they saw it. But To the OP, to clear up any confusion.


Last time I checked, I wasn't the one up for interrogation. Nor did I ask anyone to form an (ill)opinion on what happened, as I was there remember. I said that it's a sad state of affairs that someone could throw objects out of their window whilst traveling at 70mph, cause damage to the vehicle behind them and then carry on with their day without any consequence. Also the lack of interest from the police was surprising seeing as you could get someone convicted for dangerous driving by reporting them for doing an overtake you didn't like.

By the responses in this thread it seems this sort of behaviour is perfectly acceptable which is even more worrying.

Posted by: fedup2 Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 08:37
Post #1315996

Nobody has suggested that his actions were anything but unacceptable,unless i missed it.What led to it was all that was being asked.That question seems to have hit a nerve.


Posted by: MFM Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 09:24
Post #1316009

QUOTE (fedup2 @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 09:37) *
Nobody has suggested that his actions were anything but unacceptable,unless i missed it.What led to it was all that was being asked.That question seems to have hit a nerve.


No nothing's 'hit a nerve'. It's just f*cking annoying when you keep banging on about what you think might have happened, after I've stated on several occasions what actually happened.

Posted by: fedup2 Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 10:02
Post #1316022

Then report it to your insurance and the police.

Posted by: DancingDad Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 10:19
Post #1316031

QUOTE (fedup2 @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 11:02) *
Then report it to your insurance and the police.


Hmmmm.....
Post #1....police weren't interested !
And insurance want to treat it like a fault claim.

Do try to keep up Old Bean biggrin.gif

Posted by: fedup2 Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 12:11
Post #1316070

QUOTE (DancingDad @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 11:19) *
QUOTE (fedup2 @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 11:02) *
Then report it to your insurance and the police.


Hmmmm.....
Post #1....police weren't interested !
And insurance want to treat it like a fault claim.

Do try to keep up Old Bean biggrin.gif


My answer wasnt a serious one,keep up!! I would get the touch up stick out and move on with life,but some love the drama.Renewal time should be something to look forward to.

What i do know though if i had had items thrown from a vehicle which damaged mine and i felt that way inclined , i wouldnt have left the police station until a proper report was made.The fact the police wouldnt take it serious adds to the doubt on events.
Although i wouldnt have 'found' myself behind this driver and my reactions are still fast enough to have avoided the can should it have been thrown in front of me,but that would only work if there was enough distance between the 2 vehicles to allow for that.In my case there WOULD have been,in this case,who knows.







Posted by: Fredd Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 12:13
Post #1316071

QUOTE (MFM @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 10:24) *
It's just f*cking annoying when you keep banging on about what you think might have happened, after I've stated on several occasions what actually happened.

Given that the inane wittering of some members can be so annoying to others I'm surprised that the "Ignore user" facility isn't used more, quite honestly.

Posted by: southpaw82 Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 12:37
Post #1316079

QUOTE (Fredd @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 13:13) *
QUOTE (MFM @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 10:24) *
It's just f*cking annoying when you keep banging on about what you think might have happened, after I've stated on several occasions what actually happened.

Given that the inane wittering of some members can be so annoying to others I'm surprised that the "Ignore user" facility isn't used more, quite honestly.

We have that!?!?

Posted by: Fredd Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 13:00
Post #1316090

In the undesired user's profile, under Options towards the top left. Doesn't hide the fact they've posted, but does suppress the content for a calmer browsing experience.

Posted by: southpaw82 Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 13:15
Post #1316096

QUOTE (Fredd @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 14:00) *
In the undesired user's profile, under Options towards the top left. Doesn't hide the fact they've posted, but does suppress the content for a calmer browsing experience.

I'm going to be busy.

Posted by: The Rookie Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 13:42
Post #1316105

How will you moderate posts you can't see?

Posted by: Steve_999 Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 14:15
Post #1316115

QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 14:42) *


Did you say something Rookie?

Posted by: southpaw82 Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 14:26
Post #1316119

QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 14:42) *
How will you moderate posts you can't see?

You think I read them anyway? No, it's completely random throwing of thunderbolts from on high.

Posted by: oldstoat Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 17:39
Post #1316176

You think I read them anyway? No, it's completely random throwing of thunderbolts from on high.

Excellent. The only way to moderate.

QUOTE (MFM @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 10:24) *
QUOTE (fedup2 @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 09:37) *
Nobody has suggested that his actions were anything but unacceptable,unless i missed it.What led to it was all that was being asked.That question seems to have hit a nerve.


No nothing's 'hit a nerve'. It's just f*cking annoying when you keep banging on about what you think might have happened, after I've stated on several occasions what actually happened.


If you wished to not be questioned, then the Flame Pit was not quite the appropriate sub-forum

Posted by: Fredd Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 18:44
Post #1316188

QUOTE (oldstoat @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 18:39) *
If you wished to not be questioned, then the Flame Pit was not quite the appropriate sub-forum

The Flame Pit is for off-topic threads, not just argumentative ones.

Posted by: mickR Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 21:15
Post #1316220

QUOTE (oldstoat @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 18:39) *
You think I read them anyway? No, it's completely random throwing of thunderbolts from on high.

Excellent. The only way to moderate.

QUOTE (MFM @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 10:24) *
QUOTE (fedup2 @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 09:37) *
Nobody has suggested that his actions were anything but unacceptable,unless i missed it.What led to it was all that was being asked.That question seems to have hit a nerve.


No nothing's 'hit a nerve'. It's just f*cking annoying when you keep banging on about what you think might have happened, after I've stated on several occasions what actually happened.


If you wished to not be questioned, then the Flame Pit was not quite the appropriate sub-forum


I think you'll find it's more to do with the content of the accusation question old chap rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Neil B Fri, 15 Sep 2017 - 01:06
Post #1316260

QUOTE (fedup2 @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 13:11) *
Although i wouldnt have 'found' myself behind this driver and my reactions are still fast enough to have avoided the can should it have been thrown in front of me,but that would only work if there was enough distance between the 2 vehicles to allow for that.In my case there WOULD have been,in this case,who knows.

Would that have been side-swiping a vehicle in another lane, braking hard and causing an accident by being rear-ended or by some clever
trick of temporary levitation?

-- bearing in mind neither of us know the actual scenario, other than has been adequately described.

Posted by: MFM Fri, 15 Sep 2017 - 07:11
Post #1316266

QUOTE (oldstoat @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 18:39) *
If you wished to not be questioned, then the Flame Pit was not quite the appropriate sub-forum


I will be following your posts very closely from now on. I'll have a few 'questions' of my own when the time comes. wink.gif

Posted by: The Rookie Fri, 15 Sep 2017 - 10:24
Post #1316311

QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 15:26) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 14:42) *
How will you moderate posts you can't see?

You think I read them anyway? No, it's completely random throwing of thunderbolts from on high.

How is Mount Olympus at this time of year?

Posted by: southpaw82 Fri, 15 Sep 2017 - 11:29
Post #1316336

QUOTE (The Rookie @ Fri, 15 Sep 2017 - 11:24) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 15:26) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 14:42) *
How will you moderate posts you can't see?

You think I read them anyway? No, it's completely random throwing of thunderbolts from on high.

How is Mount Olympus at this time of year?

Whatever I tell it to be, obvs.

Posted by: oldstoat Sat, 16 Sep 2017 - 14:39
Post #1316564

QUOTE (MFM @ Fri, 15 Sep 2017 - 08:11) *
QUOTE (oldstoat @ Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 18:39) *
If you wished to not be questioned, then the Flame Pit was not quite the appropriate sub-forum


I will be following your posts very closely from now on. I'll have a few 'questions' of my own when the time comes. wink.gif



I hope that this attempt above works as a quote

answer then should appear below

Well clearly if it is in a non flame pit forum I would presume that your "questions" would be appropriate to the sub forum used. Otherwise. I am not sure what you mean regards a few "questions of my own when the time comes"

That appears to me that you will, should I need to post, attack the veracity of my post. Adding a smiley emoticon at the end does not remove the implied threat.

Lets keep this civil.

Posted by: MFM Mon, 18 Sep 2017 - 07:01
Post #1316861

QUOTE (oldstoat @ Sat, 16 Sep 2017 - 15:39) *
Lets keep this civil.


Not so nice when the shoe is on the other foot is it...

Posted by: oldstoat Mon, 18 Sep 2017 - 08:18
Post #1316872

QUOTE (MFM @ Mon, 18 Sep 2017 - 08:01) *
QUOTE (oldstoat @ Sat, 16 Sep 2017 - 15:39) *
Lets keep this civil.


Not so nice when the shoe is on the other foot is it...



you seem to miss a rather fundemental point this is the flame pit. If I post in another forum then your attacking the veracity of a statement would be inappropriate, it has nothing whatsover to do with it being on the other foot as you so smugly put it.

Posted by: Fredd Mon, 18 Sep 2017 - 10:20
Post #1316895

QUOTE (oldstoat @ Mon, 18 Sep 2017 - 09:18) *
you seem to miss a rather fundemental point this is the flame pit. If I post in another forum then your attacking the veracity of a statement would be inappropriate,

And you seem to be missing a rather fundamental point, which I pointed out in a http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=115631&view=findpost&p=1316188 in this thread. You don't have carte blanche to rip into a poster simply because they've correctly started a thread here that would have been off-topic in any other section of the forums.

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