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The Rookie
post Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 09:48
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Maybe rather than keep starting posts we can put them into one as a warning to others

Two speeding events, not his van honest guvnor, jailed for 6 months.


And from the archives under the status of legendary
Andy Roo (ex of this parish)

Chris Huhne and the ex Mrs Huhne

And a future volunteer it seems

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post Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 10:20
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And the latest volunteer made a promising start with reasonable queries.


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post Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 12:24
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I was tempted to use my Bluestone 42 meme but couldn’t be arsed from my phone.


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post Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 16:43
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Mr Quas must have been the first member here to tempt the jailer:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/spe...ast-whbcqcwwwb8


Jammer case, jailed

https://northyorkshire.police.uk/news/man-j...tection-jammer/

Another Jammer, gulty

https://northyorkshire.police.uk/news/laser...course-justice/

Jammer has a suspended sentnce on this occasion:
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/...shire-1-8836618
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post Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 20:35
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QUOTE (122basy @ Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 17:43) *
.....Jammer case, jailed...……...


Seems cars were dismantled to find the jammer in all the jammer cases ???

Seems a bit extreme to find a black box mounted on the bumper rolleyes.gif
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post Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 21:17
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 21:35) *
QUOTE (122basy @ Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 17:43) *
.....Jammer case, jailed...……...


Seems cars were dismantled to find the jammer in all the jammer cases ???

Seems a bit extreme to find a black box mounted on the bumper rolleyes.gif

Not really. The evidence needs to be recovered and the systems have more internal components than external...except for the LT400. Even then the LT400 has wiring, control and display within the vehicle. Unless you get the devices out with some form of magical power the vehicle needs to be dismantled.
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post Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 22:06
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This one was a driving instructor who tried to present a modified GPS track to show he wasn't speeding:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-11938711

I think the thread is a good idea as there's clearly been quite a few people on here who don't understand how serious it is and don't understand the extreme reaction they get when they suggest it.

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QUOTE (Tancred @ Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 23:06) *
This one was a driving instructor who tried to present a modified GPS track to show he wasn't speeding:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-11938711

I think the thread is a good idea as there's clearly been quite a few people on here who don't understand how serious it is and don't understand the extreme reaction they get when they suggest it.

Oh forgot about Mr Richards.

This guy, Mr C Moir did the same trick.. This report is on the committal hearing but he was eventually convicted of 2 counts of perverting justice at Worcester Crown Court. The papers didn't seem interested in the case after the jury found him guilty. Same trick, fiddled with the GPS data that had been created after the speeding events.
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The GPS one always seems a strange one for me.

I know we have posters on here who think the police will accept a thirty second snippet and just say case closed.

My guess is they would ask for the entire journey as a complete piece of evidence. and suddenly you are falsifying a huge amount of data, with a corresponding huge number of ways for it to be proven incorrect.

It seems one of those things that is almost guaranteed not to work and equally guaranteed to be perfect evidence for PCoJ.
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post Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 20:50
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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 20:23) *
My guess is they would ask for the entire journey as a complete piece of evidence. and suddenly you are falsifying a huge amount of data, with a corresponding huge number of ways for it to be proven incorrect literally handing the police every single instance of you speeding


Fixed...?
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The Rookie
post Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 08:12
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A perverting factory!

Summary, a couple made speeding offences 'go away' by arranging for keepers to name the wrong driver, the couple then replied as that person, innocent people were then convicted, not exactly a complex scam!

I wonder if any action is/was taken on the keepers.

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QUOTE (typefish @ Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 21:50) *
QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 20:23) *
My guess is they would ask for the entire journey as a complete piece of evidence. and suddenly you are falsifying a huge amount of data, with a corresponding huge number of ways for it to be proven incorrect literally handing the police every single instance of you speeding


Fixed...?

GPS data would not be admissible as evidence of excess speed.


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post Tue, 10 Jul 2018 - 20:46
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https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/loc...e-times-1769814
The truly bizarre! Fabricated a bizarre scenario including claiming to be blackmailed, seems to have got so caught up in his fabrication he didn’t know when to stop.


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post Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 14:40
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 10 Jul 2018 - 21:46) *
https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/loc...e-times-1769814
The truly bizarre! Fabricated a bizarre scenario including claiming to be blackmailed, seems to have got so caught up in his fabrication he didn’t know when to stop.

Weird.
One wonders what would have happened if the guy he put in the frame had not been in India ?
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post Mon, 23 Jul 2018 - 19:46
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Happy to stitch up his Landlord who also has dementia, what a lovely guy....
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/speeding...sabled-14930198


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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 23 Jul 2018 - 20:46) *
Happy to stitch up his Landlord who also has dementia, what a lovely guy....
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/speeding...sabled-14930198


He is...

Did you not read what his barrister said:

"the dad-of-four is a "productive member of society" and stressed he pleaded guilty at the first opportunity"

I suppose he produced a certain amount of admin for the Courts and Police! As to pleading guilty at the first opportunity wouldn't that have been when he received the 172? tongue.gif


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post Tue, 24 Jul 2018 - 11:12
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Indeed, his Barrister seems to have glossed over the "He has a somewhat extensive history of offending." as noted by the prosecutor.


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post Tue, 24 Jul 2018 - 13:10
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I like the linked story.
Pretended to be his brother.
Worth 6 months in jail.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-ne...tended-14702722
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post Tue, 24 Jul 2018 - 13:46
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Tue, 24 Jul 2018 - 14:10) *
I like the linked story.
Pretended to be his brother.
Worth 6 months in jail.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-ne...tended-14702722


It would have been a piece of p*ss to escape though.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/cri...-to-escape.html


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post Tue, 24 Jul 2018 - 15:14
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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 20:23) *
My guess is they would ask for the entire journey as a complete piece of evidence. and suddenly you are falsifying a huge amount of data, with a corresponding huge number of ways for it to be proven incorrect.


Dashcams store the most recent 4 to 8 hours and continually overwrite the oldest files unless they've been saved as events

By the time the police ask for the data for an entire journey, it will be long gone

They've asked me to retain a memory card in case it's needed for a prosecution and agreed that they'll disregard any other files

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