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NIP / S172 - 91 in M25, NIP issued for a speeding offence on M25
Porambokku21
post Fri, 31 Dec 2021 - 16:08
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I have received a NIP today for an incident that happened on the 21/12/21, the offence was for speeding, 91 on a 70mph limit (M25).

As you may see from the additional information sheet, there potentially could be three choices,
1. Safety awareness course
2. Fixed penalty of £100 and 3 points
3. Prosecution

Clearly my first action will be to respond soonest with the S172 form giving the particulars of the driver.

Please find attached the scanned copies of the documents for your reference.

My queries are,

Am I being disadvantaged by declaring the part 1 driver admission information section of 172. The reason being, in the additional info sheet it says in italics that by filling in this section I’m only admitting that I was the driver but not to the alleged offence. How does that work.

Secondly, what are my chances to get a awareness course, I understand that this can only be decided after I disclose the details of my licence. I have had two offences in the past,
1. I had an accident nearly 5 years ago when I crashed into a stationary car in a 30 mph road. However, the crash was not due to speed but because of my negligence as I wasn’t paying full attention to the road on a misty day!! The car in front was waiting for a pedestrian signal which I failed to see because of my less attention combined with the poor visibility.
2. I did attend one of these courses about 10 years ago for a similar offence!
I wondered whether the above two incidents will have any bearing on the decision to give me a safety awareness course, it says I must meet certain eligibility criteria to qualify for this course. This is purely for information purposes only as I understand from the letter that I won't be able to influence this decision in any way or form.

Thirdly, is it ok to view the evidence of the alleged offence online in their website or will that be used against be in any way or form if this goes to prosecution.

Thanks for your time, advice and comments. smile.gif

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post Thu, 17 Feb 2022 - 13:50
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 17 Feb 2022 - 13:36) *
Congratulations, it does at least show they read and take note of the contents of such letters and are, despite many suggestions to the contrary, human beings.


Absolutely, again this could also be partly due to Covid factor as well which had a huge impact on the time!

Having said all that, it is neither acceptable nor worth the risk to get into a speeding offence no matter what the circumstance is, personally lessons learnt smile.gif

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post Thu, 17 Feb 2022 - 14:42
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Well done and thanks for letting us know. I must say I am very (pleasantly) surprised.
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post Thu, 17 Feb 2022 - 16:31
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Well done, I am very pleased to hear that the police were prepared to adopt such an approach, you wrote a good letter and presented the evidence to back it up, so this was a very personal success for you.


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post Thu, 17 Feb 2022 - 19:01
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QUOTE (Porambokku21 @ Thu, 17 Feb 2022 - 13:50) *
Having said all that, it is neither acceptable nor worth the risk to get into a speeding offence no matter what the circumstance is, personally lessons learnt smile.gif


If I knew that that was your opinion, I would never have tried to help ;p

Many years ago. my Dad was rushed to hospital from the local Health Centre and the doctor told me to prepare myself for the worst. I put Mum in the ambulance with Dad and went to pick up my brother. The fastest I went was about 120 as that was all the conditions would allow. Once Dad had been given some antibiotics and fluids he was a lot better, but if the same happened again I would do the same. Whether or not I would be treated leniently if I was caught would not have any bearing on it.


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post Thu, 17 Feb 2022 - 19:16
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QUOTE (andy_foster @ Thu, 17 Feb 2022 - 19:01) *
QUOTE (Porambokku21 @ Thu, 17 Feb 2022 - 13:50) *
Having said all that, it is neither acceptable nor worth the risk to get into a speeding offence no matter what the circumstance is, personally lessons learnt smile.gif


If I knew that that was your opinion, I would never have tried to help ;p

Many years ago. my Dad was rushed to hospital from the local Health Centre and the doctor told me to prepare myself for the worst. I put Mum in the ambulance with Dad and went to pick up my brother. The fastest I went was about 120 as that was all the conditions would allow. Once Dad had been given some antibiotics and fluids he was a lot better, but if the same happened again I would do the same. Whether or not I would be treated leniently if I was caught would not have any bearing on it.


smile.gif Glad everything ended well at that time for you. I understand and do agree to a certain extent that some times the situation / circumstances dictate our actions however, what if something worse had happened to you because of the 120 speed, I'm thinking more along the lines of risking our life than about consequences of the speeding offence.

btw, thanks for your help with this, smile.gif

QUOTE (Logician @ Thu, 17 Feb 2022 - 16:31) *
Well done, I am very pleased to hear that the police were prepared to adopt such an approach, you wrote a good letter and presented the evidence to back it up, so this was a very personal success for you.


Although it may sound a little like a personal success, it was purely down to the likes of Newjudge, Rookie and few others who were generous with their support and assistance. Crucially their support was more realistic and always prepared me for the worst rather than trying to say words of hope, which I felt was the key and even the letter was reviewed and signed off.

So in summary it is a combined effort and success although the benefits were personal to me smile.gif
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