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Man jailed after blaming speeding ticket on fictional Frenchman, From BBC News
Barry S
post Wed, 9 May 2018 - 22:08
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Link to original story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-44058417

Summary: A motorist from Oxfordshire has been jailed for 12 months for perverting the course of justice, as well as being fined £1600 and disqualified for 3 months (increased from 6 points and an £800 fine on appeal!) after inventing a fictional Frenchman and Scot to try and get away with being caught doing 35 in a 30 in Hampshire in his ex-wife's car.
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post Thu, 10 May 2018 - 02:29
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It never ceases to amaze me how stupid some people can be.

Perhaps we should have a “I was happy to go to jail to avoid a speeding rap” thread for these cases.


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post Thu, 10 May 2018 - 08:30
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Richly deserved

He could have easily landed his ex-wife with the FTF prosecution

Sheer stupidity

According to the picture of the Freelander, he was travelling at 35 mph
Unless he already had 9 points and no lifelines left, he spent more time on his scheme than if he'd taken the course that would have been offered

The report that he was given 6 points and £800 for the original offence, increased on appeal to 3 months disqualification/ £1600, is confusing

The appeal result exceeds the maximum fine for the speeding offence and he was never asked about the car on the first occasion for it to be FTF
It looks more like an FTF for when he tried the routine again after he was caught speeding in his Audi
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post Thu, 10 May 2018 - 10:00
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As is common in newspaper reports, maybe the fine and all the costs were lumped together?


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QUOTE (Barry S @ Wed, 9 May 2018 - 23:08) *
Link to original story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-44058417

Summary: A motorist from Oxfordshire has been jailed for 12 months for perverting the course of justice, as well as being fined £1600 and disqualified for 3 months (increased from 6 points and an £800 fine on appeal!) after inventing a fictional Frenchman and Scot to try and get away with being caught doing 35 in a 30 in Hampshire in his ex-wife's car.


is it wrong that I find this story hilarious? laugh.gif
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post Thu, 10 May 2018 - 10:23
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QUOTE (Old Trainee 19 @ Thu, 10 May 2018 - 11:17) *
is it wrong that I find this story hilarious? laugh.gif

Only to the extent that it seems that he's financially supporting both his ex-wife and current girlfriend, and supposedly they could both lose their homes as a result of this tit being sent to prison.


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QUOTE (Fredd @ Thu, 10 May 2018 - 11:23) *
QUOTE (Old Trainee 19 @ Thu, 10 May 2018 - 11:17) *
is it wrong that I find this story hilarious? laugh.gif

Only to the extent that it seems that he's financially supporting both his ex-wife and current girlfriend, and supposedly they could both lose their homes as a result of this tit being sent to prison.


now I feel bad (for them) sad.gif
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post Thu, 10 May 2018 - 11:32
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His lies would have unravelled much sooner if the police had considered the likelihood that a Frenchman would :

1 Be seen driving a Land Rover
2 Drive at 35 mph

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post Thu, 10 May 2018 - 20:15
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Thu, 10 May 2018 - 12:32) *
His lies would have unravelled much sooner if the police had considered the likelihood that a Frenchman would :

1 Be seen driving a Land Rover
2 Drive at 35 mph

Ah to be a fly on the wall during the phone call to the Departmental Gendarmerie.

"Hello? Do you speak English? I'm calling from Hampshire Safety Camera Office. I'm looking to contact a driver who was caught driving in a Land Rover at 35mph here."

"*drag on cigarette* Casse-toi!"
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post Thu, 10 May 2018 - 23:24
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 10 May 2018 - 11:00) *
As is common in newspaper reports, maybe the fine and all the costs were lumped together?

How did he get convicted of speeding if he did not admit driving--or FtF if he never received a s.172 request in his own name? All I see in the press report is a lot of PCoJ.

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post Fri, 11 May 2018 - 00:11
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That's why I think it was an S172 prosecution for the later Audi incident when he was the registered keeper, not for the Land Rover borrowed from his ex-wife
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And another.....
https://www.cumbriacrack.com/2018/05/09/dri...rse-of-justice/


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post Tue, 15 May 2018 - 18:45
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"What may have been seen as an easy option in the past or something people just do like an exaggerated house insurance claim is simply not true anymore."

Weird thing for the police to say. When was naming a false driver to plod "something people just do"?
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post Tue, 15 May 2018 - 20:44
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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Tue, 15 May 2018 - 19:45) *
"What may have been seen as an easy option in the past or something people just do like an exaggerated house insurance claim is simply not true anymore."

Weird thing for the police to say. When was naming a false driver to plod "something people just do"?

I thought it was odd for him to say "and engaging in what is nothing short of a criminal activity to cover their tracks", surely speeding is already nothing short of a criminal activity?


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post Wed, 16 May 2018 - 10:11
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 15 May 2018 - 21:44) *
I thought it was odd for him to say "and engaging in what is nothing short of a criminal activity to cover their tracks", surely speeding is already nothing short of a criminal activity?

True, however that is how most people view speeding offences - as something akin to a council parking ticket, not a real criminal offence.


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post Thu, 17 May 2018 - 01:06
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QUOTE (Fredd @ Wed, 16 May 2018 - 11:11) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 15 May 2018 - 21:44) *
I thought it was odd for him to say "and engaging in what is nothing short of a criminal activity to cover their tracks", surely speeding is already nothing short of a criminal activity?

True, however that is how most people view speeding offences - as something akin to a council parking ticket, not a real criminal offence.

I don't disagree (even the criminal courts distinguish regulatory offences from offences designed to punish a moral wrong), but as a senior police officer maybe he should have chosen his words more carefully.


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