new mot but garage is no repair garage, ie a council test centre |
new mot but garage is no repair garage, ie a council test centre |
Sun, 20 May 2018 - 15:49
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,535 Joined: 16 Jan 2009 From: Up north Member No.: 25,505 |
With the new rules, what happens if the vehicle receives a dangerous fail. The Council MOT centre do not do repairs, does that mean that the vehicle will then require low loading away? How can the Council MOT tester then verify that the dangerous fail has been repaired IMMEDIATELY? Because clearly the vehicle will have needed to leave the MOT centre
-------------------- Bridges burnt, Rubicons crossed. Parthian shots delivered, but always with style
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Sun, 20 May 2018 - 15:56
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
This is not a new rule, it's always been illegal to drive a vehicle in a dangerous condition, and such vehicles could already only be lawfully removed from a test centre on a tow truck.
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Sun, 20 May 2018 - 16:09
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
It would also have been an offence to drive it to the MOT in a dangerous condition even though it hadn’t yet been tested.
In other words it’s something that hasn’t changed at all and shows a lack of imagination by the aging ferret. -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Mon, 21 May 2018 - 08:30
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Member Group: Members Posts: 119 Joined: 28 May 2010 From: Sussex Member No.: 37,839 |
Taken from GOV.UK website
Driving a vehicle that’s failed You can take your vehicle away if: your current MOT certificate is still valid no ‘dangerous’ problems were listed in the MOT Otherwise, you’ll need to get it repaired before you can drive. If you can take your vehicle away, it must still meet the minimum standards of roadworthiness at all times. You can be fined up to £2,500, be banned from driving and get 3 penalty points for driving a vehicle that has failed its MOT because of a ‘dangerous’ problem. -------------------- Better to be 20 minutes late in this life than 20 years early into the next one !
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Mon, 21 May 2018 - 08:38
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
There is no new offence though AIUI, if it's in a dangerous condition you shouldn't be driving it, the fact you know would remove mitigation but nothing else.
Of course that assumes it is actually dangerous. -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Mon, 21 May 2018 - 09:26
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,126 Joined: 31 Jan 2018 Member No.: 96,238 |
Where are garages supposed to store all the cars that can't be removed for repair ?
There's something to be said for a pre-MOT to identify the dangerous faults before they have to be officially recorded |
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Mon, 21 May 2018 - 09:33
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Mon, 21 May 2018 - 11:56
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,535 Joined: 16 Jan 2009 From: Up north Member No.: 25,505 |
It would also have been an offence to drive it to the MOT in a dangerous condition even though it hadn’t yet been tested. In other words it’s something that hasn’t changed at all and shows a lack of imagination by the aging ferret. cheers for the aged ferret reference. i am not an engineer or mot tester i asked, simply because, as a car owner, i saw that it appeared that a new category had been introdued. my apologies to the rookie for my failure of imagination -------------------- Bridges burnt, Rubicons crossed. Parthian shots delivered, but always with style
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Mon, 21 May 2018 - 17:59
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,140 Joined: 19 Jun 2004 From: Surrey Member No.: 1,326 |
You won't be able to drive it away, but will have to get it to somewhere that does do repairs.
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Tue, 22 May 2018 - 21:37
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10,460 Joined: 8 Sep 2008 Member No.: 22,424 |
I can't get my head around who thought it was a good idea to tell the media there have been changes.
Other than the rules on DPF's etc., its just the reporting system thats changed AFAIK. No difference really to the consumer. |
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Wed, 23 May 2018 - 09:17
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Member Group: Members Posts: 119 Joined: 28 May 2010 From: Sussex Member No.: 37,839 |
Lots of items have been added to the test, and lots of items have been removed from the test !
An example of items removed - brake fluid level below the minimum mark master cylinder cap missing brake fluid warning lamp illuminated or inoperative power steering fluid below the minimum mark trailer electrical socket insecure direction indicator flashing rate one of two registration plate lamps missing or inoperative several audible warning defects many items ‘insecure’ but not likely to become detached An example of items added brake fluid contamination additional braking device performance daytime running lamps front fog lamps reversing lamps bumpers prop shafts all rear drive shafts cab security cab steps floors passenger hand grips (quads and heavy trikes only) noise suppression material undertray security emission control equipment: oxygen sensor NOx sensor exhaust gas recirculation valve other emission control equipment engine malfunction indicator lamp diesel particulate filter (DPF) tampering fluid leaks - engine, transmission and so on Some of it is a complete farce ! For example - Reversing lamps have been added for vehicles first used on or after 1 sept 2009 - but.... Vehicles may have 1 or 2 rev lamps and both should work.......... Taken from the new Mot manual.. One or two reversing lamps may be fitted, but they must all work. all showing white light to the rear 2 showing white light to the rear and one on each side Defect Category A reversing lamp inoperative -Minor A reversing lamp lens defective - Minor A reversing lamp: not securely attached - Minor likely to become detached - Major So you can only "fail" a reversing lamp if it's about to fall off !! not if it doesn't work !! Dangerous = fail Major = fail Minor = pass Other farce... Diesel emissions Testers are supposed to "find" the manufactures emission figure for the vehicle they are testing. This figure may be listed on the chassis plate, on a sticker under the bonnet, on a sticker on a bonnet hinge or any countless other places ! But this figure is not marked to say what it is - just a number displayed with many other numbers. The tester has the option to select "not found" emissions machine to then test at a much higher limit - for example - manufacture sticker may say 0.60 but default limit may be 2.5. So, how long is tester supposed to "hunt" for this sticker before testing at default limit. There currently is no list available that contains all sticker locations for all manufacturers. This post has been edited by Harnes: Wed, 23 May 2018 - 09:20 -------------------- Better to be 20 minutes late in this life than 20 years early into the next one !
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Wed, 23 May 2018 - 10:52
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Wed, 23 May 2018 - 15:19
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You won't be able to drive it away, but will have to get it to somewhere that does do repairs. You WILL be able to drive it away- who is going to stop you? Factually but not lawfully. -------------------- Moderator
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Wed, 23 May 2018 - 15:22
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Factually but not lawfully. Assuming it is actually dangerous and not a dodgy MOT fail where it's actually fine (been there, had that). -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Wed, 23 May 2018 - 15:32
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,178 Joined: 1 Jan 2013 From: Glasgow Member No.: 59,097 |
You won't be able to drive it away, but will have to get it to somewhere that does do repairs. You WILL be able to drive it away- who is going to stop you? Factually but not lawfully. Exactly but I was addressing how the previous post was worded. |
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Wed, 23 May 2018 - 18:07
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Not that it will stop the Kwik Fits of explouting it.
"I'm sorry but I can't let you drive that away, it's dangerous. I wish I could but I'd lose my job if I gave you the keys. We can fix it for you though..." |
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Wed, 23 May 2018 - 18:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 25,726 Joined: 28 Jun 2010 From: Area 51 Member No.: 38,559 |
Not that it will stop the Kwik Fits of explouting it. "I'm sorry but I can't let you drive that away, it's dangerous. I wish I could but I'd lose my job if I gave you the keys. We can fix it for you though..." That's the bit that bothers me, not only KK but many other places use MOTs as a selling opportunity for items that aren't strictly needed, failed or indeed dangerous. |
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Wed, 23 May 2018 - 20:31
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10,460 Joined: 8 Sep 2008 Member No.: 22,424 |
There will still be garages offering MOT's without the car ever leaving your driveway... unfortunately they'll see a spike in business if people are concerned they have a car which won't pass at a legitimate garage.
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Wed, 23 May 2018 - 20:58
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,140 Joined: 19 Jun 2004 From: Surrey Member No.: 1,326 |
You won't be able to drive it away, but will have to get it to somewhere that does do repairs. You WILL be able to drive it away- who is going to stop you? Factually but not lawfully. Exactly but I was addressing how the previous post was worded. The wording may have not been apposite, but I think the meaning was conveyed. |
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Wed, 23 May 2018 - 22:46
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,178 Joined: 1 Jan 2013 From: Glasgow Member No.: 59,097 |
You won't be able to drive it away, but will have to get it to somewhere that does do repairs. You WILL be able to drive it away- who is going to stop you? Factually but not lawfully. Exactly but I was addressing how the previous post was worded. The wording may have not been apposite, but I think the meaning was conveyed. I knew what you meant but it was still wrong |
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