Discussion Time!, Not that this arrest was wrong, but was it dignifying to the lady. Options

[Darkatmosphere]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47589034.

As someone who spends his life around with MH sufferers, I can see why there was a reaction to the situation by the lady, It may have seemed OTT and Obstructive to most people, a ploy if you will, to avoid the police's intentions to arrest her, but let me explain, Some who have High degree's of anxiety and other MH problems (Autistic Spectrum Disorder-Bipolar-schizoaffective disorder) can have severe adverse reactions to unplanned and unexpected disruptions to daily life and can have severe adverse reactions to authoritative people who represent Authority and discipline, and towards in rational thought and behaviour, this forms in ways such as shouting, screaming and crying with hysteria, lashing out and physically violent, then some with MH issues also have issues in communicating with strangers combined can trigger a severe emotional and behavioural outbursts that you see in the video clip, please bare this in mind.

The Constables in attendance did good of keeping composure, their voice tone and movement to a smooth and fluent as possible from what we see in the clip when around the lady they intended to arrest her which leads me to believe they have had some degree of MH manual handling training but dropped the ball slightly on something else they let their emotion to be displayed with their urgency to get out of there quick.

Unfortunately, Like many communities around the world there are certain rules that should be respected and adhered to, Most Irish Traveller communities also have a strict set of community imposed beliefs and rules to adhere to as well their main practiced religion, These are known to the police very well, like other religions and beliefs systems around the world a woman should not be touched by another male other than that of the husband, to the traveller community it is disrespectful, it could also cause or incite rage or violence...or so I am told.

The offence happened a while ago, and there some time between it happening and an arrest, I am sure the police constables had a Pre Arrest briefing on this lady, had knowledge of her MH issues as I am led to think the police may have had dealings in the past with her and or the family, I'm aware there are female PC shortages but considering the belief systems within the travelling community why was one not on hand?

I the clip we hear that the Husband say "she's upstairs getting dressed", but that is such a generic term, it would be wrong then to assume seeing her come down in a bath robe that she would be fully dressed underneath, so the Constable in attendance would have knowledge that she at the very minimum would have only underwear on perhaps no bra.
There were offers by her Husband to allow him to get her some clothes that went dismissed, and seeing her in a state about mainly being undressed in front of an all 4 male cast in front of her knowing she was going to be touched by them in front of her husband freaked her out immensely.
Why did they afford he some dignity in calling control and asking for Female WPC or PCSO to attend to ensure that she did nothing whilst getting dressed?

Her robe once arrested with arm behind her back, became undone and by the time to they got to the station she was almost de-robed and when put in a cell she ended up de-robed, she was offered up a blanket and wrapped up by a male which I am led to believe to be touched by a male other than a husband is an insult? and thus her reaction of get off me.
Why did the Constable riding back in a Van now call for a WPC and boiler suit to be on hand and when they pulled up one went in and got them and then WPC went van with her and uncuffed and she gets dressed?
This may have prevented her being naked in the cell.

Whilst I don't see anything wrong with the arrest and behaviour of the Constables in attendance, I think they could have afforded her a female PC and allowed her to get dressed, I think there was no need to have the potential to have her feel embarrassed by not allowing her to get dressed or collect some clothes or arrange for a boiler suit and WPC at time of book in so she could get dressed in the back of the van at the station, there was a lack timely patience due to Constables wanting to get her out of the house on down to the station ASAP, I think her behavior heightened that need to be more urgent to remove her from the house, where as I feel they could have had a better result had they slowed down the urgency to leave and get out, they could have controlled it better by saying there isn't a problem tighten your robe now and wait with us, we'll call a WPC to come and go with you to get dressed we just need to wait here, and proceeded to control the situation in the already calm manor they were already talking to her further more, de escalating her heightened anxiety.

where does the line of affording decency and dignity get drawn?

I see why the IPCC came back with nothing more than a they did nothing wrong they have a reputation to maintain.

Is there a basis in a liability claim there? (no jokes about any one can claim but whether they will win is another matter waffle, you know what I mean).

This post has been edited by Darkatmosphere: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 - 10:34

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[Neil B]

If you're going to be making comments of this sort, you should maybe read up on your terminology >

the lady,

Is likely to get you hung up by the sphericals by many in my locale.

Good job I don’t live in your locale then, and who cares! Lady when used as a noun is to keep discussion polite, basic English or is this forum all about millennial slang and alternate dimension meanings for different words that can only cause offence to Brutus illiteratus down the road? Or shall I post wholly in Welsh? All rhetorical questions BTW

Oh touchy touchy and you're making a few assumptions.

I favour the OED definition and, like yourself, can't agree with some being offended.
Point stands though; if you want room to discuss and engage we sometimes have to pander a little
to others' viewpoints.
I've never got over banks' use of 'growing' your business.


I think the use of the term is inaccurate in this situation btw . The broader 'woman' better.