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Unsigned forms - The Scottish Experience??
r11co
post Fri, 9 Jan 2004 - 12:45
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Has anyone here seen through to conclusion (either court or case dropped) the unsigned form process within a Scottish Jurisdiction?

There's precious little out there about it beyond 'Scotland is different'. It is up to a point but all the RTA's are the same ones that apply to the rest of the UK.

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Phil
post Sat, 29 May 2004 - 21:39
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All,

after chatting with jeffreyarcher for a loooooong time Friday afternoon,(thanks for the time and common sense) I am going to site the following in my case - defense against speed camera:

QUOTE (Title: ACPO Code of Practice for Operational use of Enforcement Equipment)
1.8 Who is responsible for maintaining the Type Approval standards?
The Home Office, ACPO Road Policing Enforcement Technology, the equipment supplier and the operator share responsibility for ensuring devices remain within the specification agreed for the Type Approval. For the Home Office, Road Policing Enforcement Technology and the operator it is a matter of the integrity of the process; for the supplier it is a contractual obligation. The Home Office reserves the right to suspend or revoke Type Approval.
The operator must ensure a device is calibrated annually. Annual calibrations can only be carried out by the manufacturer or organisations approved by Home Office PSDB. The annual calibration is vital and a device is not within type approval unless the operator has the certificate of calibration. Most devices will also have a sticker applied to them showing the date of the last calibration or the due date of the next.
The annual calibration should not be confused with the necessary periodic checks of calibration of devices against known distances or speeds. These periodic calibrations are a fundamental part of the operator’s procedures.


Does any one have official links to the Home Office details that mention this?
I Guess this must have been used on many an occasion - whether in English Law or otherwise.


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- r11co   Unsigned forms - The Scottish Experience??   Fri, 9 Jan 2004 - 12:45
- - peugeot   I have sent back an unsigned form(Strathclyde) and...   Fri, 9 Jan 2004 - 21:18
- - r11co   I hope you wouldn't mind if we kept in touch, eith...   Sat, 10 Jan 2004 - 11:27
- - firefly   Gents The application of the law in Scotland is u...   Mon, 12 Jan 2004 - 08:15
- - peugeot   Checked the date of the alleged speeding last nigh...   Mon, 19 Jan 2004 - 18:14
- - DW190   Peugeot Its not expired for the S172 yet. That ...   Mon, 19 Jan 2004 - 19:27
- - peugeot   The fact they sent a fixed penalty offer would sug...   Mon, 19 Jan 2004 - 20:03
- - peugeot   Update for Strathclyde, I have heard nothing and t...   Sun, 8 Feb 2004 - 22:32
- - I've had enough   I have just sent back a D & Galloway NIP, just...   Sun, 8 Feb 2004 - 23:23
- - r11co   In looking for information regarding the unsigned ...   Tue, 10 Feb 2004 - 19:34
- - I've had enough   Latest on my Scottish NIP. I got my original ...   Thu, 12 Feb 2004 - 14:52
- - jeffreyarcher   QUOTE (I've had enough)Probably because I sent the...   Fri, 13 Feb 2004 - 02:35
- - I've had enough   Ah well. I did it in the hope that it might make ...   Fri, 13 Feb 2004 - 06:44
- - r11co   I'm inclined to agree with jeffrey here. The cove...   Fri, 13 Feb 2004 - 12:44
- - r11co   OK, so, now we have the Francis verdict (explanati...   Thu, 18 Mar 2004 - 13:57
- - jeffreyarcher   QUOTE (r11co)If they were going to pursue a 'non s...   Fri, 19 Mar 2004 - 00:05
- - r11co   QUOTE (jeffreyarcher)Strewth! I don't know how man...   Fri, 19 Mar 2004 - 10:54
- - jeffreyarcher   QUOTE (r11co)You know that, I know that, Then why ...   Fri, 19 Mar 2004 - 11:04
- - r11co   QUOTE (jeffreyarcher)Have you seen a Strathclyde B...   Fri, 19 Mar 2004 - 11:17
- - firefly   QUOTE (r11co)as Firefly pointed out in another thr...   Sat, 20 Mar 2004 - 13:39
- - r11co   QUOTE (firefly)QUOTE (r11co)as Firefly pointed out...   Sun, 21 Mar 2004 - 11:24
- - jeffreyarcher   QUOTE (r11co)I asked him about Broomfield and he s...   Sun, 21 Mar 2004 - 11:46
- - r11co   QUOTE (jeffreyarcher)QUOTE (r11co) PS to keep asse...   Sun, 21 Mar 2004 - 12:38
- - firefly   QUOTE (r11co)Why would a Strathclyde Traffic cop r...   Mon, 22 Mar 2004 - 09:16
- - r11co   If you mean this witness statement [forum link] th...   Tue, 23 Mar 2004 - 09:53
- - jeffreyarcher   QUOTE (r11co)If you mean this witness statement [f...   Tue, 23 Mar 2004 - 10:01
- - Mika   Chaps, I know that everyone keeps saying that PAC...   Tue, 23 Mar 2004 - 10:21
- - firefly   Obviously the wording would need changing as I hav...   Tue, 23 Mar 2004 - 10:22
- - r11co   QUOTE (Mika)Chaps, I know that everyone keeps say...   Wed, 24 Mar 2004 - 07:18
- - r11co   Where's the fear guys? Again, a confused person i...   Sun, 28 Mar 2004 - 22:12
- - firefly   Hi r11co, In the absence of any definitive answer...   Mon, 29 Mar 2004 - 08:25
- - Phil   Scotland unsigned NIP > court   Fri, 16 Apr 2004 - 14:25
- - jeffreyarcher   What have you been charged with? Speeding, S172 or...   Fri, 16 Apr 2004 - 14:46
- - Phil   Hi, home now. I have been charged with speeding, ...   Fri, 16 Apr 2004 - 19:52
- - r11co   Good luck Phil, and thanks for bringing my thread ...   Fri, 16 Apr 2004 - 23:07
- - jeffreyarcher   Now that you've told him about the unsigned NIP, I...   Sat, 17 Apr 2004 - 00:54
- - I've had enough   Fascinating...   Sun, 18 Apr 2004 - 07:04
- - firefly   QUOTE (firefly)In alleged traffic offences, once t...   Sun, 18 Apr 2004 - 10:06
- - jeffreyarcher   Re: Fascinating...   Sun, 18 Apr 2004 - 10:15
- - I've had enough   Interesting. And why Road Traffic Regulation Act ...   Sun, 18 Apr 2004 - 15:36
- - jeffreyarcher   QUOTE (I've had enough)And why Road Traffic Regula...   Sun, 18 Apr 2004 - 15:50
- - I've had enough   QUOTE (jeffreyarcher)Because speeding's in tbe RTR...   Sun, 18 Apr 2004 - 16:04
- - Phil   I've had enough wrote: QUOTE Consider the facts on...   Mon, 19 Apr 2004 - 12:19
- - The General   There is no formal right of disclosure in Scottish...   Mon, 19 Apr 2004 - 12:35
- - Phil   Thanks for the reply, The General, my aim is such...   Mon, 19 Apr 2004 - 12:50
- - jeffreyarcher   QUOTE (Phil)Any thoughts on what I should leave ou...   Wed, 21 Apr 2004 - 01:54
- - The General   Great advice from Jeffrey. I don't mean to appear...   Wed, 21 Apr 2004 - 14:26
- - Phil   The General wrote:QUOTE the more communication you...   Thu, 22 Apr 2004 - 09:13
- - The General   Keep it simple. As for all the evidence, e.g. Pol...   Thu, 22 Apr 2004 - 12:00
- - jeffreyarcher   Yes (and the inaccurate video/photographic eviden...   Fri, 23 Apr 2004 - 01:52
- - firefly   Hi Phil, I would have responded sooner but I have...   Fri, 23 Apr 2004 - 16:40
- - Phil   Scottish Law must adhere to the European Law, ther...   Tue, 27 Apr 2004 - 13:09
- - jeffreyarcher   QUOTE (Phil)I would have hoped the unsigned NIP wo...   Tue, 27 Apr 2004 - 23:24
- - Phil   update   Mon, 17 May 2004 - 14:17
- - jeffreyarcher   Re: update   Mon, 17 May 2004 - 15:50
- - Phil   QUOTE (jeffreyarcher)You haven't answered my quest...   Tue, 18 May 2004 - 10:14
- - Phil   An update again...   Wed, 19 May 2004 - 14:30
- - jeffreyarcher   Re: An update again...   Thu, 20 May 2004 - 00:49
- - Phil   update...   Sat, 29 May 2004 - 21:39
- - Phil   evidence served   Mon, 31 May 2004 - 09:59
- - DW190   Phil wrote: QUOTE There was also a joint signed st...   Mon, 31 May 2004 - 10:51
- - jeffreyarcher   Re: evidence served   Tue, 1 Jun 2004 - 01:01
- - Phil   intermediate diet   Wed, 2 Jun 2004 - 17:50
- - jeffreyarcher   QUOTE (Phil)The solicitor also mentioned that he t...   Wed, 2 Jun 2004 - 23:27
- - Phil   QUOTE (jeffreyarcher)In your case, there is, of co...   Thu, 3 Jun 2004 - 05:40
- - firefly   Hi Phil, QUOTE (Phil)I also provided a letter fro...   Thu, 3 Jun 2004 - 08:19
- - Phil   more details   Fri, 4 Jun 2004 - 05:57
- - jeffreyarcher   Re: more details   Fri, 4 Jun 2004 - 09:17
- - firefly   Hi Phil, Further to what jeffrey has stated, it i...   Fri, 4 Jun 2004 - 09:56
- - Phil   evidence 'served'   Fri, 4 Jun 2004 - 10:00
- - firefly   QUOTE (Phil)How does the poor quality photocopy of...   Fri, 4 Jun 2004 - 10:26
- - firefly   Hi Phil, Have you seen this post by Mika? Can't ...   Fri, 4 Jun 2004 - 12:58
- - Phil   Court tomorrow   Tue, 6 Jul 2004 - 13:06
- - firefly   Hi Phil, Yes myself and jeffreyarcher will be the...   Tue, 6 Jul 2004 - 15:17
- - matt1133   good luck tommorrow   Tue, 6 Jul 2004 - 15:26
- - BRUN   !!! so what happened ?   Tue, 1 Nov 2005 - 18:13
- - firefly   QUOTE (BRUN)!!! so what happened ? What a blast f...   Tue, 1 Nov 2005 - 18:57


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