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crypticc
post Thu, 21 Jun 2018 - 23:12
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - June 2018
Date of the NIP: - 4 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 5 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A12 Kelvedon NR M/Post No 14/92, Northbound
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - Not known
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons -
Hi everyone. To cut to the chase it's probably a fair cop.
I've been driving over 27 years and never had a ticket or warning. I would be concerned with either wasting court or my time but also keen to know the best approach. I probably won't contest it but I am confused whether to wait couple of weeks for the penalty offer, or if I need to just send in the NIP details to get that ball rolling. I am also concerned if I may have some similar on the return.
Noting the location description is both specific but also ambiguous and the only site I can find with mile markers through a FOI request isn't ready to read, it would put this offence south of Chelmsford which is J14 and many miles south of Kelvedon.
If the location is as specified the only thing I can think is there was a temporary restricted zone that I always respect. But then I did accelerate firmly after exiting the average zone, shortly after I did notice an average camera almost like the restricted zone signage had been moved but not the camera, and I looked down to find myself over the limit.
With hindsight I also see A12 has 70mph average cameras all over the place and thought I had also passed so maybe those but it's tricky, because as I said the location assumes knowledge of data that isn't on the public domain.


NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 23:12:28 +0000

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post Fri, 29 Jun 2018 - 09:43
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Fri, 29 Jun 2018 - 09:15) *
Recorded used to exist but no longer does.

Large organisations rarely sign for 'signed for' making it a waste of money.

Not really, if after 15 days it's still outstanding on the Royal Mail website, and you've not had a reply, you can legitimately put a lost item claim in against Royal Mail and you'll get a free book of stamps.


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post Fri, 29 Jun 2018 - 16:13
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And we care because?


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post Fri, 29 Jun 2018 - 16:44
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Fri, 29 Jun 2018 - 17:13) *
And we care because?

It isn't stickily speaking a waste of money, and I'm a pedant.


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post Fri, 29 Jun 2018 - 17:06
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Fri, 29 Jun 2018 - 17:44) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Fri, 29 Jun 2018 - 17:13) *
And we care because?

It isn't stickily speaking a waste of money, and I'm a pedant.

Ah ha - do you want it in the flame pit or just gone?


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