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Kram45
post Mon, 21 Nov 2016 - 14:24
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Hi all , Ive done a bit of research on the JLA PCN A lot of the letters are quite old and I was wondering if eveything is still the same as the post from 2013-14-15-16 ie has anything changed which gives VCS more power ., Does anyone know if any new laws etc have been past at all . A lot of what Ive read relate to bylaws ??? I have until the 30th to get an appeal in or do I just simply send them a letter saying I never agreed to the terms and conditions they are saying I breached . .

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post Fri, 1 Dec 2017 - 10:01
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Not a hope of this hitting court

I would send the "what a crock of a LBA this is, send a proper one you idiots" letter from MSE...
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post Fri, 1 Dec 2017 - 16:19
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Last I looked VCS was listed as a Dormant Company


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Which facts in any situation or problem are “essential” and what makes them “essential”? If the “essential” facts are said to depend on the principles involved, then the whole business, all too obviously, goes right around in a circle. In the light of one principle or set of principles, one bunch of facts will be the “essential” ones; in the light of another principle or set of principles, a different bunch of facts will be “essential.” In order to settle on the right facts you first have to pick your principles, although the whole point of finding the facts was to indicate which principles apply.

Note that I am not legally qualified and any and all statements made are "Reserved". Liability for application lies with the reader.
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post Fri, 1 Dec 2017 - 17:00
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Thanks guys , I will take your advice and see where it goes next .
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post Fri, 1 Dec 2017 - 19:32
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QUOTE (bama @ Fri, 1 Dec 2017 - 16:19) *
Last I looked VCS was listed as a Dormant Company


Don't know where you looked, but it may be a good idea to look again.

VCS still seem to be very active.
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post Fri, 1 Dec 2017 - 22:17
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You are correct. apols
I snafu'd it with
V.C.S. CAR PARK MANAGEMENT LIMITED
Company number 02638134


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Which facts in any situation or problem are “essential” and what makes them “essential”? If the “essential” facts are said to depend on the principles involved, then the whole business, all too obviously, goes right around in a circle. In the light of one principle or set of principles, one bunch of facts will be the “essential” ones; in the light of another principle or set of principles, a different bunch of facts will be “essential.” In order to settle on the right facts you first have to pick your principles, although the whole point of finding the facts was to indicate which principles apply.

Note that I am not legally qualified and any and all statements made are "Reserved". Liability for application lies with the reader.
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Kram45
post Thu, 8 Feb 2018 - 14:22
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QUOTE (Kram45 @ Fri, 1 Dec 2017 - 17:00) *
Thanks guys , I will take your advice and see where it goes next .

Hi Folks , So it has finally arrived "Letter Of Claim" From BW Legal along with Pre Action Protocol. My Question is do I Fill it in and send it back or still do nothing as I have since my first initial contact with VCS after the said offence in Nov 16 expaining why i dont owe the debt. I Am also thinking of contacting DVLA asking on what grounds VCS obtained my details . Any help would be much appreciated.
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nosferatu1001
post Thu, 8 Feb 2018 - 14:23
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No, you must respond

MSE forum, have a look for the very very long response. Pretty sure YOUR BW letter does not comply with the NEW PAP valid 01.10.2017 onwards.
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post Thu, 8 Feb 2018 - 14:47
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suggest reading this thread , it is a couple of weeks in front of yours

read carefully to understand

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=116961
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Kram45
post Thu, 8 Feb 2018 - 15:24
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QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Thu, 8 Feb 2018 - 14:23) *
No, you must respond

MSE forum, have a look for the very very long response. Pretty sure YOUR BW letter does not comply with the NEW PAP valid 01.10.2017 onwards.

Just had a look at websters post and the PAP is exactly the same as this , Annex 1 information sheet and reply form only, Do they need to send out all 17 pages to comply with the new PAP 01/10/17
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post Thu, 8 Feb 2018 - 18:27
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They have to send out full details of their claim, just go to the MSE forum and use the long “crap lba” response, checking it applies.
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post Thu, 8 Feb 2018 - 18:41
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I’m starting to wonder whether this is the commencement of a strategy similar to that of CEL. Issue enough claims, those that ignore proceed to default CCJs, those who invest the time and effort to produce a credible defence will see a discontinuation, but still taken right up to the wire, to test who blinks first.

If formal court papers are issued, a solid counterclaim will establish their resolve - and legitimacy!
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post Thu, 8 Feb 2018 - 19:01
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It's quite possible that it's a low cost, high pressure debt collection tactic
The Particulars of Claim in the other thread look like a template that only requires the insertion of details in a couple of sentences.

It only needs about one in four targets to pay up when the court papers arrive to make the exercise profitable

I'm helping somebody who could counter-claim for harassment if BWL push their luck
VCS and BWL have been told several times that they know he has no liability because the photographs show a female driver that clearly isn't himself

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post Thu, 8 Feb 2018 - 19:10
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Getting in before the parking bill ascends...


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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post Fri, 9 Feb 2018 - 16:05
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Or all the threads telling everyone to ignore this scam have knocked their income so badly the monthly fee they pay the airport to run the scam is too high.
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post Fri, 9 Feb 2018 - 21:05
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at present , maybe 50% pay up not knowing , with letters before court action and posabley paying £25 to issue a court claim , £27.50 (£25 + 50p template letter) may just raise the 50% to a lucrative 80-90%

as there is one other case reported on this forum , which is far in advance of this one , it also has forum/BMPA backing , lets see if they push this or just back down when challenged

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Kram45
post Sat, 10 Feb 2018 - 12:32
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Thanks guys , I will just send back this form with a Tick in Box D & Box i , and I will keep an eye on the other case , See what happens .
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Kram45
post Fri, 16 Feb 2018 - 20:08
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QUOTE (Kram45 @ Sat, 10 Feb 2018 - 12:32) *
Thanks guys , I will just send back this form with a Tick in Box D & Box i , and I will keep an eye on the other case , See what happens .

What do you think the chances would be if VCS reckon they know who the driver was ? . I made a stupid mistake back in Nov 16. I said that I didnt see any signs probably because of the weather it was Dark, Misty, and Torrential rain . Any thoughts on which way to persue this .
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post Fri, 16 Feb 2018 - 20:22
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the BPMA have suggested that if you have named yourself (removing POFa) then to pay up


however POFa does not apply on this land


maybe they know something we dont , maybe they dont wont a fight

who knows , they have suggested that they are not interested and to use help from this forum
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post Fri, 16 Feb 2018 - 21:10
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If the driver has been named then PoFA is irrelevant regardless of the status of the land.


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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post Fri, 16 Feb 2018 - 21:16
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however the status of the land is? this is a case of trespassing (not parking) , ie doing things not allowed by the notice boards etc , as such it should be JLA bringing this charge NOT VCS
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