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Johnm1
post Sat, 16 Nov 2019 - 13:29
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Hi

I received a letter from tfl that I need to pay 195 for parking in red route. I remember that day going to pick up something from a shop and the seller told me to park there because it fine. As you can see from the picture attached on tfl website there’s no pcn attached to the windshield so basically I didn’t know anything about this until I received the letter attached. My mistake was I didn’t look at the for any signage. There’s any way to challenge this fine?
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cp8759
post Sat, 16 Nov 2019 - 13:42
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Sounds like a postal PCN that went missing. You need to wait for the Order for Recovery to arrive and then file a witness statement saying that the original PCN or Notice to Owner was never received, this will reset the process and TFL will issue a new PCN or NtO. The process is explained here: https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/unde...ment-process#ws


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post Sat, 16 Nov 2019 - 13:51
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Is the address on the charge certificate completely correct.
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Johnm1
post Sat, 16 Nov 2019 - 15:02
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The address is the right one. The question is why they didn’t put the pin in the windshield to avoid all of this? In their picture you can see clearly that they never stick the pcn. Should I do a late challenge?

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post Sat, 16 Nov 2019 - 15:40
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QUOTE (Johnm1 @ Sat, 16 Nov 2019 - 15:02) *
The address is the right one. The question is why they didn’t put the pin in the windshield to avoid all of this? In their picture you can see clearly that they never stick the pcn. Should I do a late challenge?


TFL is allowed to issue parking PCNs by CCTV as well as on the windscreen.

The usual procedure is as CP says but there's nothing stopping you calling them and saying you didn't get the PCN to see if they'll shortcut the process.

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post Sat, 16 Nov 2019 - 19:00
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I suggest stick to process, step outside the procedure and good things might happen, but so might bad


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post Sat, 16 Nov 2019 - 20:30
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The photos suggest this was a roadside PCN but until the case has been reset, it hardly matters to be honest. Once TFL serves either an NtO or a postal PCN we'll know what we're dealing with.


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post Sat, 16 Nov 2019 - 21:37
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sat, 16 Nov 2019 - 20:30) *
The photos suggest this was a roadside PCN but until the case has been reset, it hardly matters to be honest. Once TFL serves either an NtO or a postal PCN we'll know what we're dealing with.


contravention date 16th Sept PCN/NTO date 19th of Sept so if valid can only be a postal PCN. but as you say the photos look like a reg 9. OP along repost the photos but leave in the date stamp details


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post Sun, 17 Nov 2019 - 00:52
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Sat, 16 Nov 2019 - 21:37) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sat, 16 Nov 2019 - 20:30) *
The photos suggest this was a roadside PCN but until the case has been reset, it hardly matters to be honest. Once TFL serves either an NtO or a postal PCN we'll know what we're dealing with.


contravention date 16th Sept PCN/NTO date 19th of Sept so if valid can only be a postal PCN. but as you say the photos look like a reg 9.

I was thinking reg 10.


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post Sun, 17 Nov 2019 - 02:56
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sun, 17 Nov 2019 - 00:52) *
QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Sat, 16 Nov 2019 - 21:37) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sat, 16 Nov 2019 - 20:30) *
The photos suggest this but the picswas a roadside PCN but until the case has been reset, it hardly matters to be honest. Once TFL serves either an NtO or a postal PCN we'll know what we're dealing with.


contravention date 16th Sept PCN/NTO date 19th of Sept so if valid can only be a postal PCN. but as you say the photos look like a reg 9.

I was thinking reg 10.

So was I ---- but the pics?


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QUOTE (Neil B @ Sun, 17 Nov 2019 - 02:56) *
So was I ---- but the pics?

Drive away maybe?


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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sun, 17 Nov 2019 - 16:44) *
QUOTE (Neil B @ Sun, 17 Nov 2019 - 02:56) *
So was I ---- but the pics?

Drive away maybe?

I wondered too.
Perhaps the OP hasn't told us everything.

"Picking someone up"
Taking over half an hour?


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QUOTE (Johnm1 @ Sat, 16 Nov 2019 - 15:02) *
In their picture you can see clearly that they never stick the pcn. Should I do a late challenge?

Because you got into the car and drove away as they were taking the pictures. We can see your head in the last picture and the brake lights are on.
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post Wed, 20 Nov 2019 - 21:19
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QUOTE (DJ Lexy @ Wed, 20 Nov 2019 - 17:44) *
QUOTE (Johnm1 @ Sat, 16 Nov 2019 - 15:02) *
In their picture you can see clearly that they never stick the pcn. Should I do a late challenge?

Because you got into the car and drove away as they were taking the pictures. We can see your head in the last picture and the brake lights are on.

Which is not the end of the world. If TFL sent you a postal PCN, the discount will be reinstated. If it sent you an NtO, that was unlawful and getting the penalty cancelled should be reasonably straightforward.


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