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post Tue, 1 Nov 2016 - 16:11
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post Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 09:36
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Maybe he's just referring to his own Twitter account. In which case, it's true.


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post Mon, 20 Aug 2018 - 09:51
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Here's the transcript of Trump's remarks at a New York fundraiser last week about his tax breaks to encourage 'Clean Coal' and windmills.

We are doomed.

You remember Hilary with the coal, right? Sitting with the miners at the table? Remember?
That wasn’t so good for her. So the people of West Virginia sniff all over, you look at Wyoming, you look at so many different places where they just. Pennsylvania, where they loved what did, and it’s clean coal and we have the most modern procedures.
But it’s tremendous form of energy in the sense that in a military way - think of it - call is indestructible.

You can blow up a pipeline, you can blow up windmills. You know, the windmills, boom, boom, boom, bing, that’s the end of that one.
If birds don’t kill it first, the birds could kill it first. They kill so many birds. You look underneath one of those windmills, it’s like a killing field, the birds.
But you know, that’s what they were going to do, they were going to windmills.
And you know, don’t worry about when the wind doesn’t blow - I said,”What happens when the wind doesn’t blow? Well, then we have a problem”
OK, Good. They were putting them in areas where they didn’t have much wind too. And it’s a subsidary - you need subsidiary for windmills. You need subsidy.
Who wants to have energy where you need subsidy? So, the coal is doing great.
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post Mon, 20 Aug 2018 - 10:28
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Clearly preparing his 'not of sound mind' defence ready for the results of the Russian electoral interference enquiry.

The irony is here that Coal is dying in the USA and nothing he can do (short of truly huge subsidies) will reverse that, wind and solar are cheaper to install than any 'clean' (ahem) coal and much cheaper to run. But his defence of coal means they are not taking advantage of that to create American jobs in those two areas.

Of course the Chump branded and Chump election campaign goods are still made in China (Even the 'Make America Hate again' hats) and one of the few sectors not yet threatened with tariffs (quelle surprise!).


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post Wed, 22 Aug 2018 - 10:37
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Well that's now 5 Chump appointees who have plead or been found guilty of offences, plus the first two Congressmen to endorse his presidency campaign. Does anyone with the ability to think critically really believe Mueller won't be able to pin some serious offences on Trump? The GoP certainly think so or wouldn't be hell bent on trying to stop the investigation.

I guess that's one way to Drain the Swamp, by filling it first!


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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 22 Aug 2018 - 11:37) *
I guess that's one way to Drain the Swamp, by filling it first!

It seems the chosen drainage method is to pump more solid s*** in to displace the water.


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post Wed, 22 Aug 2018 - 18:20
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Trumps comments on todays events.

"I feel very badly for Paul Manafort and his wonderful family. “Justice” took a 12 year old tax case, among other things, applied tremendous pressure on him and, unlike Michael Cohen, he refused to “break” - make up stories in order to get a “deal.” Such respect for a brave man! A large number of counts, ten, could not even be decided in the Paul Manafort case. Witch Hunt!"

"Michael Cohen plead guilty to two counts of campaign finance violations that are not a crime."

A lawyer pleading guilty to things that aren't a crime?
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post Wed, 22 Aug 2018 - 21:28
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I have got to the stage where I don't believe anything will happen. How many times have we heard "this is the last straw" and then everything rolls on.

It doesn't seem likely they will get a majority for impeachment. I can't see many Republicans wanting the most infamous president in US history to still be on people's lips many decades later.

He is struggling with the fact that, for the first time in his life, money doesn't make everything go away. But, being almost immune from prosecution and having large sections of the six fingered electorate on your side may well be enough.
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post Wed, 22 Aug 2018 - 23:48
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I rather think you're right

The Democrat leader in the House of Representatives has said that impeachment isn't a priority

Perhaps they're content, if the mid-terms give them majorities in both Houses, to leave him in office but not in power for two years - watching the wolves circle
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post Thu, 23 Aug 2018 - 10:00
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Thu, 23 Aug 2018 - 00:48) *
I rather think you're right

The Democrat leader in the House of Representatives has said that impeachment isn't a priority

Perhaps they're content, if the mid-terms give them majorities in both Houses, to leave him in office but not in power for two years - watching the wolves circle

Successful impeachment of a popular president (as opposed to a totally unpopular one) is never going to happen. Why? Because the Senate is not a court of law, it is a body of democratically elected representatives, two from each State, each of whom are well aware of the popularity of the president in their respective State and--more importantly--how the people in their State would want them to decide the case against the president. They are hardly the equivalent of "impartial jurors". In addition, a 2/3 super-majority is required for conviction, so a massive shift in Trump's popularity (and the composition of the Senate) would have to have occurred before he was in any danger of conviction.

Trump is currently an "UGE" magnet for Democrat activism--why on Earth would they want to have him replaced by Pence?

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post Thu, 23 Aug 2018 - 11:13
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Thu, 23 Aug 2018 - 00:48) *
I rather think you're right

The Democrat leader in the House of Representatives has said that impeachment isn't a priority

Perhaps they're content, if the mid-terms give them majorities in both Houses, to leave him in office but not in power for two years - watching the wolves circle

It's also democratically more palatable & avoids the backlash from right wing loons if Trump was removed from office by the liberal elite in Washington.


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Nixon commented that impeachment starts as a criminal process but ends as a political one
He resigned before the end of the process when he lost his support

He was also scuppered by the Supreme Court that forced him to provide the evidence
Trump has been packing the Court to prevent this possibility

Clinton was impeached but who remembers or cares ?

Trump's tax giveaways to the super-rich have probably ensured that the paymasters of the best democracy money can buy will still regard him as good value

I can only see a successful impeachment if he provided Putin with something anti-American in return for the money and support
PaddyPower and Ladbrokes have shortened the odds to 6/4

One possible outcome is that the suspected decades of involvement with crime families will be confirmed
His brand will be so associated with corruption that nomination for a second term will be impossible

As the self-proclaimed great deal-maker, he might agree not to run for a second term in return for a no-impeachment deal





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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Wed, 22 Aug 2018 - 22:28) *
I can't see many Republicans wanting the most infamous president in US history to still be on people's lips many decades later.

They already have that 'honour' as Mr Richard Nixon was certainly not a democrat!

Democrats won't talk about impeachment being a priority until it becomes
1/ A slam dunk on 'enough' guilt
2/ They either have the majority or enough republican support
The last thing they want to do is go early and fail, it makes it harder later on, they'll wait until it becomes much more certain to succeed.

Look how long Nixon clung on for. He finally went in August '74, the investigation had been started in June '72 when the Watergate burglars were caught red handed and arrested, that also included an early clear obstruction of Justice and Nixon was re-elected in late '72 although it was still in the middle of the Vietnam war and voters are loath to vote out a sitting president then (historically).

Chump is polarising, he certainly still has support (high 30's to 40% from polls)in a core supporter base but also the worst negative ratings in history, if the Republicans bomb in the mid terms those up for re-election in 2020 may consider their tactical position. If you pay attention to US politics you'll know some American states with the bizarre (to me anyway) 'top two' primary system have already shut out republicans as the top two in the primaries were Democrats.


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If you bear in mind the principles that the truth isn't the truth and facts aren't facts you won't go wrong in life.
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That's hard when its clear principles aren't principles but can also be changed on a whim when it suites, alongside the 'truth' and the 'facts'.


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Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Although a Senator in the Democrat Party, he was also an advisor to Richard Nixon
Wonder what advice he gave
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QUOTE (stamfordman @ Thu, 23 Aug 2018 - 14:04) *
If you bear in mind the principles that the truth isn't the truth and facts aren't facts you won't go wrong in life.

you don't need to go that far, you just have alternative facts.


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Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
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I can imagine digging up dirt on the relationship between the two most powerful men in the world may be difficult. Trump may not be but Putin certainly is clever enough to cover his tracks well.

However, with enough dirt and Trump's Twitter account the bookies probably have it right.
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Trump's approval rating has taken a hit but still in the high 30s

Latest plan is to replace the Attorney General but has been advised to wait until after the mid-terms
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Well yes he’s desperate to end the Mueller probe, the poisoness gnome has recused himself and Rosenstein isn’t playing ball, so he needs to get sessions replaced with someone who will end the investigation.

In other news long time friend and backer David ****** (his name is an American euphuism for your Johnson and rhyimes with Becker, owner of the national inquirer amongst others) has also flipped.

Trumps response on the Foxhole news was
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Flipping almost ought to be outlawed


Now would someone who hadn’t done anything wrong want that?

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