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PCN in Kensington & Chelsea for single yellow at 8:37am whilst loading car outside my house - 10 min grace period?
gtahhh
post Tue, 21 May 2019 - 21:37
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Hello

I parked overnight outside my house in the Kensington & Chelsea on a single yellow. I started packing the car just before 8:30am and then went in to get 2 large suitcases (down 4 flights of stairs) to put in the car before leaving. I thought I was only a few minutes doing this but I got a ticket at 8:37am.

I live here and have done for nearly a year and my car and driving licence are registered at this address. However, I haven't got a residents' parking permit yet as I hardly ever park my car here. I will get one at the end of next month.

I see that some councils apply the 10 minute grace periods to single yellow lines and start ticketing at 8:41am. The parking attendant told me he works on 5 minutes and will start ticketing at 8:36. You'll see from the PCN that he did wait for 5 mins, which he said was to give me chance to move the car but I suspect it was really so he didn't miss the chance to issue the ticket.

Do you think there is any hope of leniency given the time of the PCN and/or that I am a resident loading my car, despite not with a permit? Also, how accurate are the clocks used in the ticketing devices?

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Incandescent
post Mon, 27 May 2019 - 21:21
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Driving licence and V5 is not really of importance here, what IS important is the weight and bulk of the goods being loaded. I suggest you take photos of the two cases and provide the nature and approximate weight of the cases with their contents. Submit photos, which if they ignore, means they are just money-grubbing so you'd need to take them to London Tribunals.
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- gtahhh   PCN in Kensington & Chelsea for single yellow at 8:37am whilst loading car outside my house - 10 min grace period?   Tue, 21 May 2019 - 21:37
- - PASTMYBEST   We need to see the council pics, loading is an exe...   Tue, 21 May 2019 - 21:52
- - Incandescent   Your PCN has absolutely nothing whatever to do wit...   Tue, 21 May 2019 - 22:30
- - gtahhh   Thank you both for your advice. I was indeed very...   Sun, 26 May 2019 - 19:09
- - stamfordman   you should win this if you see it through - draft ...   Sun, 26 May 2019 - 20:24
- - gtahhh   I did start just before 8:30, bringing a small cas...   Sun, 26 May 2019 - 21:53
|- - PASTMYBEST   QUOTE (gtahhh @ Sun, 26 May 2019 - 22...   Mon, 27 May 2019 - 09:28
|- - gtahhh   Thank you both for checking over my text. QUOTE (...   Mon, 27 May 2019 - 20:08
- - stamfordman   Looks good to me.   Mon, 27 May 2019 - 09:05
- - Incandescent   Driving licence and V5 is not really of importance...   Mon, 27 May 2019 - 21:21
- - gtahhh   Thank you all. My challenge is in with details of...   Fri, 31 May 2019 - 22:10
- - gtahhh   As expected my informal representation was knocked...   Mon, 17 Jun 2019 - 22:52
- - Incandescent   Their letter is tosh, basically. Loading applies t...   Mon, 17 Jun 2019 - 23:43
- - hcandersen   OP, you do not physically have to have a NTO in yo...   Tue, 18 Jun 2019 - 07:54
- - gtahhh   QUOTE (hcandersen @ Tue, 18 Jun 2019 - 0...   Tue, 18 Jun 2019 - 17:55
- - cp8759   What was in the bag? How heavy was it when full? ...   Wed, 19 Jun 2019 - 11:10
|- - gtahhh   QUOTE (cp8759 @ Wed, 19 Jun 2019 - 12...   Mon, 24 Jun 2019 - 08:46
|- - cp8759   QUOTE (gtahhh @ Mon, 24 Jun 2019 - 09...   Mon, 24 Jun 2019 - 14:57
- - gtahhh   Hello everyone! I am still abroad but I have ...   Tue, 6 Aug 2019 - 03:18
- - cp8759   I think your representation is well made out and i...   Tue, 6 Aug 2019 - 13:21
- - gtahhh   Hello! It turns out the CEO's notes didn...   Thu, 29 Aug 2019 - 18:06
|- - PASTMYBEST   QUOTE (gtahhh @ Thu, 29 Aug 2019 - 19...   Thu, 29 Aug 2019 - 18:44
- - cp8759   Well given the discount is gone there's nothin...   Sun, 1 Sep 2019 - 17:02
- - gtahhh   Is it just a case of resubmitting my text for the ...   Sun, 1 Sep 2019 - 23:07
- - gtahhh   Any thoughts on my submission to the adjudicator? ...   Sat, 7 Sep 2019 - 23:11
|- - PASTMYBEST   QUOTE (gtahhh @ Sun, 8 Sep 2019 - 00...   Sat, 7 Sep 2019 - 23:22
- - hcandersen   No, not your previous reps, this would be a waste....   Sun, 8 Sep 2019 - 07:15
- - gtahhh   I don't have the permit to hand (my wife has t...   Sun, 8 Sep 2019 - 21:54
- - cp8759   As long as the photos are clearly identified as be...   Tue, 10 Sep 2019 - 09:50
|- - gtahhh   I have submitted my request for a hearing where I ...   Tue, 10 Sep 2019 - 22:19
|- - cp8759   QUOTE (gtahhh @ Tue, 10 Sep 2019 - 23...   Wed, 11 Sep 2019 - 08:49
- - hcandersen   The problem is not the evidence, it's their re...   Tue, 10 Sep 2019 - 12:18
|- - gtahhh   QUOTE (hcandersen @ Tue, 10 Sep 2019 - 1...   Wed, 18 Sep 2019 - 21:15
- - cp8759   It looks like they might have handed you a winning...   Thu, 19 Sep 2019 - 09:53
- - gtahhh   Here is the notice of hearing letter from 12th Sep...   Sat, 21 Sep 2019 - 18:08
- - cp8759   This is great, as the outcome of the appeal is mor...   Sat, 21 Sep 2019 - 19:01
- - gtahhh   That is great. When I add the charge certificate ...   Sat, 21 Sep 2019 - 21:01
- - John U.K.   QUOTE "Charge certificate sent by RBKC to the...   Sun, 22 Sep 2019 - 07:29
- - gtahhh   Thank you for the correction. I will go ahead and...   Sun, 22 Sep 2019 - 10:19
- - cp8759   To be honest you're better off if they carry o...   Mon, 23 Sep 2019 - 10:53
- - gtahhh   In addition to uploading the scanned charge certif...   Mon, 23 Sep 2019 - 18:20
- - cp8759   Has the council submitted any evidence? You can ea...   Mon, 23 Sep 2019 - 19:41
- - gtahhh   No, there has been nothing added by RBKC. I upl...   Mon, 23 Sep 2019 - 22:51
- - gtahhh   I've checked the case online and RBKC haven...   Wed, 2 Oct 2019 - 22:29
- - cp8759   Wait till it gets to 5 working days, by then you...   Thu, 3 Oct 2019 - 12:35
- - gtahhh   The council is going to contest. See the letter t...   Thu, 10 Oct 2019 - 21:51
- - Incandescent   It just shows how completely thick and stupid they...   Thu, 10 Oct 2019 - 22:34
- - gtahhh   I saw the CEO as I was carrying the first of the h...   Fri, 11 Oct 2019 - 00:40
- - Incandescent   I would say that you need to present your original...   Fri, 11 Oct 2019 - 09:51
- - cp8759   Obviously you must re-iterate to the tribunal that...   Fri, 11 Oct 2019 - 19:54
- - gtahhh   I have drafted the following. Please let me know ...   Fri, 11 Oct 2019 - 22:20
|- - Neil B   QUOTE (gtahhh @ Fri, 11 Oct 2019 - 23...   Sat, 12 Oct 2019 - 10:30
- - cp8759   I agree with Neil, you're the one introducing ...   Sat, 12 Oct 2019 - 17:30
- - gtahhh   Thank you all for your comments. I have already u...   Mon, 14 Oct 2019 - 22:41
- - hcandersen   For me it's the wrong approach. I refer the a...   Tue, 15 Oct 2019 - 09:44
- - gtahhh   Thank you, that is a very logical way to step thro...   Tue, 15 Oct 2019 - 10:04
- - hcandersen   My choice of words was more euphemistic! Good...   Tue, 15 Oct 2019 - 10:26
- - gtahhh   A massive stroke of luck... perhaps. I have just ...   Tue, 15 Oct 2019 - 20:54
- - PASTMYBEST   post 58 and the first mention of a witness, and th...   Tue, 15 Oct 2019 - 21:12
- - gtahhh   Sorry! I'd forgotten. It was such a flee...   Tue, 15 Oct 2019 - 21:32
|- - PASTMYBEST   QUOTE (gtahhh @ Tue, 15 Oct 2019 - 22...   Tue, 15 Oct 2019 - 21:53
- - Neil B   I didn't expect this hearing to take very long...   Tue, 15 Oct 2019 - 22:03
- - gtahhh   My hearing was today and it was an open and shut c...   Wed, 16 Oct 2019 - 09:15
- - cp8759   In light of the charge certificate, I think it wou...   Wed, 16 Oct 2019 - 10:06
- - stamfordman   QUOTE (gtahhh @ Wed, 16 Oct 2019 - 10...   Wed, 16 Oct 2019 - 10:09
- - Incandescent   Well done, and red-hot poker up their whatsit to R...   Wed, 16 Oct 2019 - 11:06
- - gtahhh   Does providing the case number blow my cover for a...   Wed, 16 Oct 2019 - 20:12
- - stamfordman   QUOTE (gtahhh @ Wed, 16 Oct 2019 - 21...   Wed, 16 Oct 2019 - 20:31
- - gtahhh   I wonder what basis I could argue costs? I don...   Tue, 22 Oct 2019 - 23:15
|- - PASTMYBEST   QUOTE (gtahhh @ Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 00...   Tue, 22 Oct 2019 - 23:45
- - gtahhh   6 hours plus 2 trips on the tube? I'm sure I ...   Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 00:19
- - hcandersen   On the basis of this decision, I don't think y...   Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 07:29
- - DancingDad   There is an old saying, don't ask, don't g...   Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 11:04


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