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Posted by: glasgow-fez Wed, 14 Mar 2018 - 19:37
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Owner of the car put my details down as I was driving at the time of the alleged offence.

Now I have received a letter.

Just wondering if the loop hole in Scotland still exists. Owner has complied with section 172 can I now fill out my details and not sign? Form has changed since I last had one many years ago.

Thank you

Posted by: peterguk Wed, 14 Mar 2018 - 19:42
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QUOTE (glasgow-fez @ Wed, 14 Mar 2018 - 19:37) *
Just wondering if the loop hole in Scotland still exists. Owner has complied with section 172 can I now fill out my details and not sign? Form has changed since I last had one many years ago.

Thank you


Nothing has changed so the unsigned option still exists.

Posted by: glasgow-fez Wed, 14 Mar 2018 - 21:32
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Form asks for occupation and driving license number
I presume I can leave that blank aswell

Thank u

Posted by: BaggieBoy Wed, 14 Mar 2018 - 21:47
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I think it should be fully completed except for the signature.

Posted by: disgrunt Thu, 15 Mar 2018 - 12:17
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Is there a risk that the OP gets a summons if they go down this route?

My thinking here is that the police have a possible witness to put the OP at the wheel at the time of the alleged offence (depending upon circumstances and relationship of owner to OP) Can they use the signed s172 from the owner in evidence? The OP hadn’t provided details so not sure exactly what the OP is facing if they sign the form.

Posted by: The Rookie Thu, 15 Mar 2018 - 14:21
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It’s possible they will get a citation, the police have nothing to suggest they have a witness (the respondee was unlikley to be sitting in the car at the time) so I see no reason it won’t follow the normal route. The PFs are known to go to citation and right up to court and then folding before the actual hearing.

Posted by: glasgow-fez Thu, 15 Mar 2018 - 19:13
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Owner was not present at the time of offence therefore can not be used as witness.
Therefore I was rather hoping I could still go down the route of filling out but not signing and they not being able to take the matter further unless they report to my door.

Posted by: The Rookie Fri, 16 Mar 2018 - 06:39
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Indeed, there is no reason it won’t follow the normal well trodden path.

Posted by: glasgow-fez Sat, 17 Mar 2018 - 03:29
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Great thank u!

Posted by: Redivi Sat, 17 Mar 2018 - 07:39
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Don't reply until as close to the deadline as possible

The strategy is to drag out the process for six months until it's too late to prosecute

Posted by: glasgow-fez Thu, 24 May 2018 - 15:17
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This doesn’t look good.

Can’t upload photo however I have had a piece of paper put through my letter box from a citation officer stating;

“An officer called at your address regarding a:
Witness citation
Copy complaint
Legal document from the PF office

Please recontact is on the following number to arrange a suitable time for redelivery or collection”

Posted by: Redivi Thu, 24 May 2018 - 15:57
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It appears that the citation has been served

http://forums.pepipoo.com/lofiversion/index.php/t59634.html

Posted by: The Rookie Thu, 24 May 2018 - 16:11
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Normal process as already detailed above.

Posted by: glasgow-fez Thu, 24 May 2018 - 17:34
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If I don’t receive citation is there much they can do or should I prepare myself to be called into court?

Posted by: The Rookie Thu, 24 May 2018 - 20:50
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The citation IS what calls you to court, they could have just posted it anyway.

Posted by: glasgow-fez Thu, 7 Jun 2018 - 13:17
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So the police do not have a citation or anything that was listed on the slip previously posted.

They are coming to the door in order to force me to sign the the form.

Now where do I stand with this. Can I refuse to sign ?

Posted by: The Rookie Thu, 7 Jun 2018 - 13:43
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Yes, no different to not signing the postal one.

Posted by: Logician Thu, 7 Jun 2018 - 14:21
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To avoid any confrontation, many people just prefer to 'be out' when the police come knocking, but they cannot force you to sign and a polite refusal is fine.

Posted by: glasgow-fez Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 11:36
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Great thanks
Fortunately I haven’t been in anyway. Someone else is having to speak with the police.

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