Driving error and potential NIP question |
Driving error and potential NIP question |
Sun, 15 Nov 2020 - 08:26
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Member Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: 30 Oct 2019 Member No.: 106,406 |
Hi guys,
Quite a stupid/unlucky one here, help and advice would be most welcome. I recently took the wrong exit on a roundabout into a business park. I realised this right away, so I pulled over and paused for a bit, and tried to look for an exit. There were cones blocking the right turn into the exit side of the road back towards the roundabout, and the road further ahead (which I've since learned was towards a small roundabout further in the business park to potentially come back on yourself towards the exit) had a road ahead closed sign. I saw this sign so didn't go any further. So I had no way of turning back on myself and exiting. Stupidly, I just did a U-turn and exited the business park up the road I came in. It might sound ridiculous but it didn't really even occur to me I was going the wrong way up the road until I reached the exit (or entry) at the mouth of the roundabout (it has two lanes). I realised then though and thought about turning around again but didn't know how else to get out, there were no other cars around and it was late, and with seemingly no way of exiting the park I just joined the roundabout and left. Since then though I've seen that this business park has what appears to be private CCTV cameras that record for the purposes of no parking on their roadways at anytime. I've zoomed in on the signs on Google maps and it says "your details have been recorded in the event of a parking charge notice, keeper details will be requested from the dvla" etc etc. One of these cameras is facing the roundabout exit/entry. Should I be worried that I could end up with a NIP from any potential CCTV footage being passed on for me exiting the business park the wrong way? Or would this CCTV only be used for parking offences? This brief period where I parked on the road for 1 minute, would that constitute a parking offence? Would I need to have committed a parking offence to potentially have the exit error investigated? Should I be worried at all? I feel like an idiot but there didn't appear to be any other way to exit the business park and there were no other cars around. I feel like the entry to the park should have cones if you could enter it and seemingly find yourself in a position where you were effectively trapped and the only way you could get out is by exiting the wrong way. Not sure what to make of it but any input would be welcome. Thanks. |
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Sun, 15 Nov 2020 - 08:41
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,510 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
Given what you've said I wouldn't be surprised if you received a parking charge notice from a private parking company for £100.
Stopping at all will trigger a charge. -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Sun, 15 Nov 2020 - 08:55
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Member Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: 30 Oct 2019 Member No.: 106,406 |
Given what you've said I wouldn't be surprised if you received a parking charge notice from a private parking company for £100. Stopping at all will trigger a charge. That would be a major kick in the balls, but I'd take that over a punishment for the exit. Would that be possible do you think if the brief stop triggered a parking charge notice? Could that then be referred too and lead to a potential NIP or is would it just be a kind of automated process which would only focus on the parking? I feel like if I saw police at the time I'd be able to fairly explain it and I wouldn't have an issue, but I'd worry if it became a black and white retrospective type thing. |
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Sun, 15 Nov 2020 - 15:56
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,283 Joined: 5 Jan 2012 Member No.: 52,178 |
Should I be worried that I could end up with a NIP from any potential CCTV footage being passed on for me exiting the business park the wrong way? Honestly, no. Who is going to bother with something like that? And if they are standard security CCTV cameras, it's unlikely they would get your number plate. Or would this CCTV only be used for parking offences? This brief period where I parked on the road for 1 minute, would that constitute a parking offence? Not impossible, but same comment about number plate. If you did, you wouldn't pay it, would you? |
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Sun, 15 Nov 2020 - 16:19
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Member Group: Members Posts: 25,726 Joined: 28 Jun 2010 From: Area 51 Member No.: 38,559 |
Certainly would not be worried about any moving traffic offence on an industrial estate from their CCTV.
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Sun, 15 Nov 2020 - 19:32
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Member Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: 30 Oct 2019 Member No.: 106,406 |
Should I be worried that I could end up with a NIP from any potential CCTV footage being passed on for me exiting the business park the wrong way? Honestly, no. Who is going to bother with something like that? And if they are standard security CCTV cameras, it's unlikely they would get your number plate. Or would this CCTV only be used for parking offences? This brief period where I parked on the road for 1 minute, would that constitute a parking offence? Not impossible, but same comment about number plate. If you did, you wouldn't pay it, would you?But their CCTV is for the purpose of recording driver details and requesting information from.the DVLA to send out fines, says so on the sign posting. Certainly would not be worried about any moving traffic offence on an industrial estate from their CCTV. Maybe I'm needlessly worrying but what makes you so sure mate? Couldn't the footage just be reviewed and referred on with zero context as to why I needed to exit that way? I.e bloke reviewing CCTV sees it, views it as an offence and refers it on somewhere? |
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Sun, 15 Nov 2020 - 19:44
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Member Group: Members Posts: 33,610 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 18,483 |
Why would a private company spend its own money (via its employees’ time) on providing evidence to the police in case they wish to pursue a low level traffic offence?
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Sun, 15 Nov 2020 - 20:34
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,510 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
Whereas private parking companies do invest the effort in scouring footage to send their £100 charges as it's often their only source of income.
But as it stands forget about unless a letter arrives... This post has been edited by Jlc: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 - 20:34 -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Sun, 15 Nov 2020 - 21:40
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Member Group: Members Posts: 25,726 Joined: 28 Jun 2010 From: Area 51 Member No.: 38,559 |
.......... Maybe I'm needlessly worrying but what makes you so sure mate? Couldn't the footage just be reviewed and referred on with zero context as to why I needed to exit that way? I.e bloke reviewing CCTV sees it, views it as an offence and refers it on somewhere? The police would not be scouring the CCTV footage, just in case. They would if something serious had happened but it didn't. Which leaves the owner/operator of the CCTV and whether or not they would pass it on to the police as an example of dangerous driving. Which is doubtful. If they did, IMO worst the police would do is send a warning letter and that would be unlikely...file it into the "No further action" bin. You've got more chance of ending up on You've Been Framed then getting a visit from Old Bill. Even though the PPC angle is more likely then police, where was it? PPCs spend most effort where they get most rewards and an industrial estate isn't usually one where they do much more then put up some signs. A business park may have more effort but unless they are charging for everyone entering or hoping to catch overstayers via ANPR, they are unlikely to push the boat out. If they do it would be for stopping not for the U turn and disappearing out of the entrance. And stopping for a minute while you tried to work out how to escape an impossible situation would be easy to beat. |
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Mon, 16 Nov 2020 - 07:02
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Member Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: 30 Oct 2019 Member No.: 106,406 |
.......... Maybe I'm needlessly worrying but what makes you so sure mate? Couldn't the footage just be reviewed and referred on with zero context as to why I needed to exit that way? I.e bloke reviewing CCTV sees it, views it as an offence and refers it on somewhere? The police would not be scouring the CCTV footage, just in case. They would if something serious had happened but it didn't. Which leaves the owner/operator of the CCTV and whether or not they would pass it on to the police as an example of dangerous driving. Which is doubtful. If they did, IMO worst the police would do is send a warning letter and that would be unlikely...file it into the "No further action" bin. You've got more chance of ending up on You've Been Framed then getting a visit from Old Bill. Even though the PPC angle is more likely then police, where was it? PPCs spend most effort where they get most rewards and an industrial estate isn't usually one where they do much more then put up some signs. A business park may have more effort but unless they are charging for everyone entering or hoping to catch overstayers via ANPR, they are unlikely to push the boat out. If they do it would be for stopping not for the U turn and disappearing out of the entrance. And stopping for a minute while you tried to work out how to escape an impossible situation would be easy to beat. Thanks for the response mate. Feel more relaxed about it now ha. Never know sometimes and I suppose my imagination was running away with me. Shambles from them though, the entry from the roundabout should be coned off too if you're going to be in such a mess from entering. Part of you can't help but feel it's a bit of a fly trap. |
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