pushbikes "clamped" in London Bridge city |
pushbikes "clamped" in London Bridge city |
Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 11:13
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Is this legal ? Seems to be contrary to PoFa, and crimninal damage. appareanlty no signage https://twitter.com/W_Bradley/status/118665...6656129/photo/1 |
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Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 11:34
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,200 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Unfortunately PoFA only applies to motor vehicles....
QUOTE A person commits an offence who, without lawful authority—
(a)immobilises a motor vehicle by the attachment to the vehicle, or a part of it, of an immobilising device, or (b)moves, or restricts the movement of, such a vehicle by any means, intending to prevent or inhibit the removal of the vehicle by a person otherwise entitled to remove it. This post has been edited by The Rookie: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 11:35 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 12:20
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I tend to agree with the first tweeted reply:
QUOTE This is what happens when you privatise public space Kings Cross being a prime example. -------------------- Regards,
Fredd __________________________________________________________________________
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Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 14:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,200 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
I think I’d be tempted to go an buy a couple of real old and cheap clunkers, lock them up with a cheap lock, probably cost them more than the bike cost......
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 14:43
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If there is no signage, how is this not criminal damage ?
It's not clear if they are asking for money to release, but if they are, how is it not extortion? |
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Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 17:27
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Criminal damage?
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Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 18:11
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,200 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Criminal damage? If you read the tweets in some cases as well as locking the bike up they are alleged to have cut off the bike riders original lock. QUOTE This happened to me at Southbank!!! They cut my lock off and I had to buy a new one (60£) and was an hour late to work
This post has been edited by The Rookie: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 18:13 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 18:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 33,610 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 18,483 |
I try to avoid Twitter.
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Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 20:41
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And avoid travelling in London full stop. You’ll be (at least) an hour late for work if you take the tube too.
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Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 21:16
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You may find Battle Bridge Road is/was Railway Property as is most of the land around Kings Cross.
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Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 21:36
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You may find Battle Bridge Road is/was Railway Property as is most of the land around Kings Cross. I think you'll find that it's "was" now. NR have even been flogging off the railway arches. -------------------- Regards,
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Thu, 24 Oct 2019 - 16:42
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I try to avoid Twitter. FYI In this case, the complaint was direct to LondonBridgeCity's twitter account. Interestingly, further down that feed, they replied to the complainant thus; London Bridge City @LDNBridgeCity Oct 23 Replying to @W_Bradley, @TeamLondonBdg, and @jackskillen We understand your frustrations. Please email lbcenquiries@xxxxxxx.co.uk for more information. Which to me suggests that there's something controversial occurring locally. |
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Thu, 24 Oct 2019 - 17:14
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London Bridge City need help with writing their website as it’s one of those infinite scrolls that won’t let you get to the footer. Unless you like playing cat and mouse and you’re very quick.
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Thu, 24 Oct 2019 - 19:37
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Is this legal ? Seems to be contrary to PoFa, and crimninal damage. appareanlty no signage https://twitter.com/W_Bradley/status/118665...6656129/photo/1 Well bikes have no number plates. Some people might be minded to cut off the lock and ride off into the sunset, I'm not sure what could be done about that to be honest. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Fri, 25 Oct 2019 - 09:54
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Is this legal ? Seems to be contrary to PoFa, and crimninal damage. appareanlty no signage https://twitter.com/W_Bradley/status/118665...6656129/photo/1 Well bikes have no number plates. Some people might be minded to cut off the lock and ride off into the sunset, I'm not sure what could be done about that to be honest. They probably have CCTV coverage Criminal damage? Absolutely. Just like letting someone's tyres down is criminal damage. Not to mention possible civil liability for loss of use. |
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Fri, 25 Oct 2019 - 11:01
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Criminal damage? Absolutely. Just like letting someone's tyres down is criminal damage. Not to mention possible civil liability for loss of use. My point is that I don’t see how applying a bike lock is criminal damage - what damage is caused? You’ll need to come up with some authority for that. -------------------- Moderator
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Fri, 25 Oct 2019 - 14:43
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Is this legal ? Seems to be contrary to PoFa, and crimninal damage. appareanlty no signage https://twitter.com/W_Bradley/status/118665...6656129/photo/1 Well bikes have no number plates. Some people might be minded to cut off the lock and ride off into the sunset, I'm not sure what could be done about that to be honest. They probably have CCTV coverage Yeah, I'm sure that if it's reported the MET will send an armed response team on blues and towos right away to apprehend the dangerous criminal... -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Fri, 25 Oct 2019 - 14:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,200 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Criminal damage? Absolutely. Just like letting someone's tyres down is criminal damage. Not to mention possible civil liability for loss of use. My point is that I don’t see how applying a bike lock is criminal damage - what damage is caused? You’ll need to come up with some authority for that. As provided for you earlier...... QUOTE This happened to me at Southbank!!! They cut my lock off and I had to buy a new one (60£) and was an hour late to work This post has been edited by The Rookie: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 - 14:51 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Fri, 25 Oct 2019 - 14:52
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Criminal damage? Absolutely. Just like letting someone's tyres down is criminal damage. Not to mention possible civil liability for loss of use. Well civil liability has always been an option for claiming, even pre-POFA. Once of my first ever posts on here are about a clamper who I sued, and I got the money off him because the county court bailiffs ended up clamping him. But criminal damage? Letting someone's tyres down is not criminal damage as far as I know. There are specific offences of Interference with vehicles (Criminal Attempts Act 1981 section 9) and Tampering with motor vehicles (Road Traffic Act 1988 section 25), but neither of those applies to a push bike. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Fri, 25 Oct 2019 - 15:57
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,200 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
There has been at least one case where letting down tyres was deemed criminal damage.
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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