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whitewing
post Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 11:13
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Is this legal ? Seems to be contrary to PoFa, and crimninal damage. appareanlty no signage

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post Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 11:34
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Unfortunately PoFA only applies to motor vehicles....

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intending to prevent or inhibit the removal of the vehicle by a person otherwise entitled to remove it.


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post Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 12:20
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I tend to agree with the first tweeted reply:
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Kings Cross being a prime example.


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post Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 14:23
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I think I’d be tempted to go an buy a couple of real old and cheap clunkers, lock them up with a cheap lock, probably cost them more than the bike cost......


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post Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 14:43
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If there is no signage, how is this not criminal damage ?
It's not clear if they are asking for money to release, but if they are, how is it not extortion?
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Criminal damage?


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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 18:27) *
Criminal damage?

If you read the tweets in some cases as well as locking the bike up they are alleged to have cut off the bike riders original lock.

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This happened to me at Southbank!!! They cut my lock off and I had to buy a new one (60£) and was an hour late to work


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post Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 18:48
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I try to avoid Twitter.


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And avoid travelling in London full stop. You’ll be (at least) an hour late for work if you take the tube too.

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You may find Battle Bridge Road is/was Railway Property as is most of the land around Kings Cross.

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QUOTE (roythebus @ Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 22:16) *
You may find Battle Bridge Road is/was Railway Property as is most of the land around Kings Cross.

I think you'll find that it's "was" now. NR have even been flogging off the railway arches.


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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 18:48) *
I try to avoid Twitter.


FYI
In this case, the complaint was direct to LondonBridgeCity's twitter account.
Interestingly, further down that feed, they replied to the complainant thus;

London Bridge City @LDNBridgeCity Oct 23
Replying to @W_Bradley, @TeamLondonBdg, and @jackskillen

We understand your frustrations.
Please email lbcenquiries@xxxxxxx.co.uk for more information.

Which to me suggests that there's something controversial occurring locally.
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QUOTE (whitewing @ Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 12:13) *
Is this legal ? Seems to be contrary to PoFa, and crimninal damage. appareanlty no signage

https://twitter.com/W_Bradley/status/118665...6656129/photo/1

Well bikes have no number plates. Some people might be minded to cut off the lock and ride off into the sunset, I'm not sure what could be done about that to be honest.


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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Thu, 24 Oct 2019 - 20:37) *
QUOTE (whitewing @ Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 12:13) *
Is this legal ? Seems to be contrary to PoFa, and crimninal damage. appareanlty no signage

https://twitter.com/W_Bradley/status/118665...6656129/photo/1

Well bikes have no number plates. Some people might be minded to cut off the lock and ride off into the sunset, I'm not sure what could be done about that to be honest.


They probably have CCTV coverage

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Criminal damage?

Absolutely. Just like letting someone's tyres down is criminal damage.
Not to mention possible civil liability for loss of use.
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post Fri, 25 Oct 2019 - 11:01
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QUOTE (whitewing @ Fri, 25 Oct 2019 - 10:54) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 18:27) *
Criminal damage?

Absolutely. Just like letting someone's tyres down is criminal damage.
Not to mention possible civil liability for loss of use.

My point is that I don’t see how applying a bike lock is criminal damage - what damage is caused? You’ll need to come up with some authority for that.


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QUOTE (whitewing @ Fri, 25 Oct 2019 - 10:54) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Thu, 24 Oct 2019 - 20:37) *
QUOTE (whitewing @ Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 12:13) *
Is this legal ? Seems to be contrary to PoFa, and crimninal damage. appareanlty no signage

https://twitter.com/W_Bradley/status/118665...6656129/photo/1

Well bikes have no number plates. Some people might be minded to cut off the lock and ride off into the sunset, I'm not sure what could be done about that to be honest.


They probably have CCTV coverage

Yeah, I'm sure that if it's reported the MET will send an armed response team on blues and towos right away to apprehend the dangerous criminal...


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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Fri, 25 Oct 2019 - 12:01) *
QUOTE (whitewing @ Fri, 25 Oct 2019 - 10:54) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 18:27) *
Criminal damage?

Absolutely. Just like letting someone's tyres down is criminal damage.
Not to mention possible civil liability for loss of use.

My point is that I don’t see how applying a bike lock is criminal damage - what damage is caused? You’ll need to come up with some authority for that.

As provided for you earlier......
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 19:11) *
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This happened to me at Southbank!!! They cut my lock off and I had to buy a new one (60£) and was an hour late to work



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post Fri, 25 Oct 2019 - 14:52
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QUOTE (whitewing @ Fri, 25 Oct 2019 - 10:54) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 18:27) *
Criminal damage?

Absolutely. Just like letting someone's tyres down is criminal damage.
Not to mention possible civil liability for loss of use.

Well civil liability has always been an option for claiming, even pre-POFA. Once of my first ever posts on here are about a clamper who I sued, and I got the money off him because the county court bailiffs ended up clamping him.

But criminal damage? Letting someone's tyres down is not criminal damage as far as I know. There are specific offences of Interference with vehicles (Criminal Attempts Act 1981 section 9) and Tampering with motor vehicles (Road Traffic Act 1988 section 25), but neither of those applies to a push bike.


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post Fri, 25 Oct 2019 - 15:57
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There has been at least one case where letting down tyres was deemed criminal damage.


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